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re: The Surprising Origins of Critical Race Theory
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:08 pm to Mo Jeaux
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:08 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:Oh yes. It is terrible. It’s also the equivalent of his position.
Christ. This is bad. But it does speak to the ability of the Overton Window to change perception. You accuse Crazy of not being familiar with DuBois, but then your description of him fits perfectly with the standard high school literature course description of "important black writer of the Harlem Renaissance. wrote poetry too."
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Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:08 pm to crazy4lsu
That answer puts you at complete odds with the people you worship.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:09 pm to oogabooga68
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That answer puts you at complete odds with the people you worship.
The fact that you can't separate reading something different from your own perspective and supporting it is your own problem.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:10 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Right. The reference "neither" was to citings of DuBois and those of Brown vs BoE.
Who is Derrick Bell?
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:12 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Feel free to laugh. It just shows ypure either dishonest or ignorant.
Lol
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any historical work done on race in the US almost singularly derives from WEB DuBois.
quote:Don't blame me for applying your claim
I said something different, didn't I?
This post was edited on 8/30/21 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:14 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:He doesn’t want to address specific vs systemic. And I don’t blame him. If i were in his shoes I wouldn’t either.
Neither is an instance of CRT though. Both were observations of factual racism, and impacts thereof.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:16 pm to Taxing Authority
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Don't blame me for applying your claim
You understand the difference between claiming he's the originator of CRT and claiming that historical work done on race uses DuBois. Those aren't the same thing and you know it.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:17 pm to Taxing Authority
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He doesn’t want to address specific vs systemic. And I don’t blame him. If i were in his shoes I wouldn’t either.
This is so immensely funny. It's like the actual specifics and similarities between DuBois and Bell aren't important. Where did Bell get his idea of white privilege? Delineate that history for me.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:25 pm to crazy4lsu
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You understand the difference between claiming he's the originator of CRT and claiming that historical work done on race uses DuBois. Those aren't the same thing and you know it.
K. keep slicing it off. You’re almost there. If you want to assert that CRT has zero basis in history… we might agree on that. If not you’ll have to live with WEB Dubois’ account of history being incorrect. You can choose.
ETA: to make it more obvious
This post was edited on 8/30/21 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:27 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:As I said, don’t get mad when someone applies your position. Maybe you can filet that one too.
This is so immensely funny. It's like the actual specifics and similarities between DuBois and Bell aren't important. Where did Bell get his idea of white privilege? Delineate that history for me
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:28 pm to crazy4lsu
It is interesting to watch people attempt to use critical analysis to attack critical analysis.
Critical analysis is what humans (with a modicum of intelligence) use to navigate their ways through life. It is innate with those attaining a high school diploma.
CRT is a lens some scholars use. Critical legal analysis is a lens most lawyers use when determining a legal strategy for a conflict. Critical analysis is primary thinking skill and tool for addressing conflicts in information and belief.
CRT has become a bogeyman for dullards (and I write this with all the due respect I can muster). It's another variation of the "Red Scare" propaganda.
Critical analysis is what humans (with a modicum of intelligence) use to navigate their ways through life. It is innate with those attaining a high school diploma.
CRT is a lens some scholars use. Critical legal analysis is a lens most lawyers use when determining a legal strategy for a conflict. Critical analysis is primary thinking skill and tool for addressing conflicts in information and belief.
CRT has become a bogeyman for dullards (and I write this with all the due respect I can muster). It's another variation of the "Red Scare" propaganda.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:34 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Your comparisons of DuBois and Bell are about like Biden equating the deaths of US military members with that of Beau Biden who died and served in the military. One example deals in fact. The other in manipulation of fact.
DuBois and Bell
John Lewis, whom I sincerely respected, is a similar example. He was the victim of atrocious racism .... 60yrs ago. But, like Bell, he spent the last three decades of his life conjuring up "racism", often where it did not exist at all.
CRT takes that one step further and attributes genetically encoded and therefore immutable characteristics based solely upon race ... which of course is the hallmark of racism.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:39 pm to washparkhorn
quote:Your reference is to the 1619 Project being groomed for school kids education?
CRT has become a bogeyman for dullards
You're actually calling kids who are being force fed crap social science by adult teachers in classrooms "dullards"?
Really?
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:41 pm to washparkhorn
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CRT has become a bogeyman for dullards
You can't even define it, Jethro.
CRT is being misused by educational professionals which is why it needs to die.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:42 pm to NC_Tigah
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You're actually calling kids who are being force fed crap social science by adult teachers in classrooms "dullards"?
He's one of those fruits who thinks if you don't believe like he does, you're a dullard. From his posting, he's clueless about CRT.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:43 pm to washparkhorn
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CRT is a lens some scholars use.
Was
Its a stand alone philosophy now. Are you 70 years old?
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:44 pm to Taxing Authority
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As I said, don’t get mad when someone applies your position. Maybe you can filet that one too.
Well, obviously if people took it to mean that DuBois is the originator of CRT, then I should have been more clear. I didn't make that explicit connection, and there is good reason why I said that all scholarship on race uses DuBois as a reference point, because of certain rhetorical features that DuBois uses that, namely the idea that you could propose a scientific investigation into the nature of race. In the book The Philadelphia Negro, DuBois posits that the emancipation of black people could be achieved in the belief that the white population was driven by Enlightenment ideals. His inward turn in The Souls of Black Folks reflected some issues DuBois encountered in PN, namely that scientific study was limited because DuBois had little empirical data and whether the Enlightenment actually influenced social progress directly. Much later in his career, DuBois discusses Marxism outright, in an essay titled Marxism and the Negro Problem, where he suggests that while Marx described a period of time in Europe, any application to the situation of black people had to 'be modified' because the black class was exploited, in his view, by both the white capitalist class and the white proletariat. His last line is utterly provocative though, where he suggests that it was in the hearts of black laborers alone where the ideas of democracy in politics and industry were prevalent.
It would be utterly insane to suggest that DuBois had no influence on CRT while the Frankfurt School did. What specific things from the Frankfurt School made it into CRT is actually never stated, though DuBois and Horkheimer come to a similar conclusion about the Enlightenment and the working class.
This post was edited on 8/30/21 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:47 pm to washparkhorn
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It is interesting to watch people attempt to use critical analysis to attack critical analysis.
Here’s a person who thinks “CRT” is “critical analysis” because they both have “critical” in them.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:48 pm to the808bass
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Here’s a person who thinks “CRT” is “critical analysis” because they both have “critical” in them.
Dweebs are easily duped.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:48 pm to NC_Tigah
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Your comparisons of DuBois and Bell
Is Bell's essay on Brown v Board of Education an example of CRT?
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