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re: The Surprising Origins of Critical Race Theory
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:50 pm to washparkhorn
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:50 pm to washparkhorn
quote:Even more interesting is someone arguing something simultaneously doesn’t exist—but is in use
It is interesting to watch people attempt to use critical analysis to attack critical analysis.
quote:Sure. No one has written any popular books based on CRT and it’s application. Nope. Never happened. Only law school professors know about it.
CRT is a lens some scholars use. Critical legal analysis is a lens most lawyers use when determining a legal strategy for a conflict. Critical analysis is primary thinking skill and tool for addressing conflicts in information and belief.
quote:Go have a look at how Mao used mythical-generate grievances and get back to us.
CRT has become a bogeyman for dullards (and I write this with all the due respect I can muster). It's another variation of the "Red Scare" propaganda.
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Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:52 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Ill post a thread about it. But dredging up past grievances was a signature Mao technique. But yea… CRT and socialism are totally unrelated.
John Lewis, whom I sincerely respected, is a similar example. He was the victim of atrocious racism .... 60yrs ago. But, like Bell, he spent the last three decades of his life conjuring up "racism", often where it did not exist at all.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:55 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Sorry I didn’t see your post before I edited the original post to make my point more clear.
Well, obviously if people took it to mean that DuBois is the originator of CRT, then I should have been more clear. I didn't make that explicit connection, and there is good reason why I said that all scholarship on race uses DuBois as a reference point,
quote:Your word salad didn’t really address the application of your assertion
If you want to assert that CRT has zero basis in history… we might agree on that. If not you’ll have to live with WEB Dubois’ account of history being incorrect. You can choose
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:56 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Not really. His argument was for imposed segregation IIRC, which insofar as being pragmatic fantasy, I guess might touch the edges of CRT.
Is Bell's essay on Brown v Board of Education an example of CRT?
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:56 pm to crazy4lsu
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It would be utterly insane to suggest that DuBois had no influence on CRT while the Frankfurt School did. What specific things from the Frankfurt School made it into CRT is actually never stated
Antipositivity is the basis for critical theory and critical race theory. It starts with an outcome and builds a fabricated social structure to explain it. It's anti scientific.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:57 pm to the808bass
quote:Privilege, too apparently
Here’s a person who thinks “CRT” is “critical analysis” because they both have “critical” in them.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:58 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
Go have a look at how Mao used mythical-generate grievances and get back to us.
Authoritarians (of whatever ilk) push fairytales to keep you in line. Some of you fall for it . . .
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:59 pm to washparkhorn
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Authoritarians (of whatever ilk) push fairytales to keep you in line.
Sorry Jethro, you're the one toeing the line here
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:01 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
Militant Homosexuality also has roots from the Nazis.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:03 pm to washparkhorn
quote:Which is of course why actual societal incorporation of CT occurs in autocratic nonfreethinking environments.
Authoritarians (of whatever ilk) push fairytales to keep you in line.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:06 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
Your word salad didn’t really address the application of your assertion
Lol. You don't understand the application of the assertion, unless you think all scholarship on race is CRT.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:10 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:
It would be utterly insane to suggest that DuBois had no influence on CRT while the Frankfurt School did.
This is where it all gets murky. DuBois talks of the struggle and oppression and overthrowing the bourgeoisie. He obviously doesn’t get that from the Frankfurt school. But trying to distinguish between Marxists is a bit like trying to distinguish between Falwell’s and Spurgeon’s Baptist thought and then deciding all Baptist thought in the US comes from Spurgeon.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:15 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:
Militant Homosexuality
Checks out.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:18 pm to the808bass
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This is where it all gets murky. DuBois talks of the struggle and oppression and overthrowing the bourgeoisie. He obviously doesn’t get that from the Frankfurt school. But trying to distinguish between Marxists is a bit like trying to distinguish between Falwell’s and Spurgeon’s Baptist thought and then deciding all Baptist thought in the US comes from Spurgeon.
I think the antipositivism pointed out by Roger is a good place to make a distinction, as DuBois tried to do a sociological type of study in his early work, and then in the absence of any way of collecting data on larger scale, had an inward turn in The Souls of Black Folk. If the argument is, antipositivism is what differentiates writings on race in America versus Critical Race Theory, then that is an argument I can support.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:21 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:
But dredging up past grievances was a signature Mao technique.
Yep, todays leftists are more Maoist than Marxist IMO.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:51 pm to crazy4lsu
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To be fair, no one has ever asked me directly.
You avoid coming to conclusions in your comments. It makes you look like a fence sitter. And you’re very inefficient, you use too many words, which robs your writing of any force.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:53 pm to crazy4lsu
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You are underrating how important WEB DuBois is.
Show don’t tell.
Don’t tell me DuBois is important, show me that is.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 8:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Its a means to an end. Socialism or communism.
Its simply a means to grab power from the current power brokers. "The issue is never the issue, the issue is always the revolution."
I really believe that. It’s a tool to replace the existing ruling class, or in our case, it’s a weapon to cement their control over society.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 9:59 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:I understand it perfectly. But I also understand you'll not admit to the logic trap you fell into.
Lol. You don't understand the application of the assertion, unless you think all scholarship on race is CRT.
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