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re: The Surprising Origins of Critical Race Theory
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:25 pm to the808bass
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:25 pm to the808bass
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Crazy has an affinity for critical theory. He doesn’t let it out in the open. And when CRT gets criticized he waxes eloquent on how no one here really understands its nuances.
I do not. I haven't even commented very much on CRT, because outside of one author, I haven't read as much on it as I have in other traditions. I think my philosophical leanings are clear, but people can't seem to separate reading the work from supporting the work.
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Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:25 pm to Taxing Authority
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No.
You are underrating how important WEB DuBois is.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:30 pm to crazy4lsu
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You are underrating how important WEB DuBois is.
Nope. You are misattributing non-derivative ideas, simply because of a precedent. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:36 pm to crazy4lsu
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I think my philosophical leanings are clear
Crazy,
You religiously avoid saying what you actually believe.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:36 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
Good lord this post is some dumb drivel. Read Marx's works and then see if any of the garbage L.K. Samuels pooped onto the page makes a lick of sense.
He does a good hack job attacking two systems at once though and equating a system of governance (Nazism) with an economic system (Socialism).
Goes to show that Libertarians will talk out of their a$$ with no understanding just so they can have their hookers and blow without having to pay taxes.
He does a good hack job attacking two systems at once though and equating a system of governance (Nazism) with an economic system (Socialism).
Goes to show that Libertarians will talk out of their a$$ with no understanding just so they can have their hookers and blow without having to pay taxes.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:37 pm to crazy4lsu
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You are underrating how important WEB DuBois is.
I don’t know you but I’m going to guess your knowledge is fairly shallow?
Because you state this as fact, but don’t substantiate it.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:40 pm to Taxing Authority
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Nope. You are misattributing non-derivative ideas, simply because of a precedent. Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Again, you are showing a lack of familiarity with DuBois. The Soul of Black Folk is foundational to African-American Studies. The references between Derrick Bell and DuBois are explicit. Bell in one article literally lifts DuBois's idea of the protection of white privilege and applies it to Brown v Board of Education, where Bell describes it as a concession to protect white privilege.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:42 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Because you state this as fact, but don’t substantiate it.
It's curious the standards people have. Your initial statement could be described the same way, but I have to produce a bibliography each time I say something?
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:50 pm to crazy4lsu
Can Black people be racist?
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:53 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Yes. Kinda like how Newton invented physics—thus String Theory should really be credited to him, and ignoring all the others in between. .
Again, you are showing a lack of familiarity with DuBois. The Soul of Black Folk is foundational to African-American Studies.
quote:Just because the same word, doesn’t mean it’s the same thing. I give people privileges almost every day on our network. Does that mean Unix is a derivative of WEB Debois’ philosophy, too?
Bell in one article literally lifts DuBois's idea of the protection of white privilege and applies it to Brown v Board of Education, where Bell describes it as a concession to protect white privilege.
This post was edited on 8/30/21 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:56 pm to Lima Whiskey
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You religiously avoid saying what you actually believe.
To be fair, no one has ever asked me directly. I thought the subtext of what I generally comment would make it quite clear. My biggest issues are being anti-war. I'm also pro-life, anti-death penalty, and broadly I guess I take up positions that are 'pronatal,' for lack of a better word. What else do people want to know? I borrow my skepticism from Hume almost directly, my view of natural rights is almost directly from Locke, and I borrow a general view of life from Spinoza I guess? Family is fairly wealthy, parents were generally hands-off to the point that I barely got any direction from them, pursued different interests until I became interested in genetics, am almost done with MD/PhD. What else do people want to know?
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:58 pm to Taxing Authority
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Just because the same word, doesn’t mean it’s the same thing. I give people privileges almost every day on our network. Does that mean Unix is a derivative of WEB Debois’ philosophy, too?
But in this case, it is linked. It isn't as though Bell made up a wildly different version of 'white privilege' that contrasted greatly with DuBois. It's a fairly benign statement suggesting that DuBois's work was foundational to lots of work on race in the US.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 12:58 pm to oogabooga68
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Can Black people be racist?
Of course they can.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:00 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:You are really hung up on the "Nazi" thing. It's odd.
I guess I should just join you and many of the others here in calling the left Nazis
The term "Nazi" gets thrown around a lot. But in practical terms, it is basically an inapplicable pejorative in the US. "Trump is a Nazi." "Fauci is a Nazi." Etc.
"Nazi" is used as an invective which could be replaced with SOB, or POS, or malignant autocrat with no different meaning. Nowadays, the term "Nazi" is so mindlessly invoked in this country that ethnic and religious minorities are recipients of the slur.
In the US, extreme leftists are communists, not fascists or Nazis. Hence "Antifa", the Stalinist organization, coupling with Marxist roots of BLM and CRT founders. CT is the basis for anticapitalist rhetoric in these US leftist groups.
So there is no significant fascist and/or Nazi element in the US. Does that specific exclusion of Leftist Nazis feel better to you?
However CT absolutely served as rationale for Nazis as well. That really is not debatable. Focus of the critical target was simply different.
This post was edited on 8/30/21 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:03 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Its not. One is functional based. the other is based solely on skin color. They are not equivalents.
But in this case, it is linked.
And even if you want to claim WEB Dubois as the originator of CRT… you might want to look into his relationship with Mao and the Cultural revolution.
This post was edited on 8/30/21 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:04 pm to Taxing Authority
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Its not. One is functional based. the other is based solely on skin color. They are not equivalents.
Lol.
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And even if you want to claim WEB Dubois as the originator of CRT
I said something different, didn't I?
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:06 pm to Taxing Authority
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Just because the same word, doesn’t mean it’s the same thing. I give people privileges almost every day on our network. Does that mean Unix is a derivative of WEB Debois’ philosophy, too?
Christ. This is bad. But it does speak to the ability of the Overton Window to change perception. You accuse Crazy of not being familiar with DuBois, but then your description of him fits perfectly with the standard high school literature course description of "important black writer of the Harlem Renaissance. wrote poetry too."
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:06 pm to NC_Tigah
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However CT absolutely served as rationale for Nazis as well. That really is not debatable
Yep, most collective societies use the same background reasoning.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:06 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Neither is an instance of CRT though. Both were observations of factual racism, and impacts thereof.
Again, you are showing a lack of familiarity with DuBois. The Soul of Black Folk is foundational to African-American Studies. The references between Derrick Bell and DuBois are explicit. Bell in one article literally lifts DuBois's idea of the protection of white privilege and applies it to Brown v Board of Education, where Bell describes it as a concession to protect white privilege.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 1:07 pm to NC_Tigah
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Neither is an instance of CRT though
Who is Derrick Bell?
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