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re: The Scientific Establishment Is Finally Starting To Take Intelligent Design Seriously
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:37 am to Liberator
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:37 am to Liberator
quote:When the publication's sleeve propaganda requires weasel words, the substance is not what you think it is.
Taking a factual and scientific look at the evidence for evolution, physicists, biologists, and chemists conclude that evolution may offer no more evidence than traditional religion, and factually, it may lag behind.
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Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:54 am to NC_Tigah
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weasel words
If people are being honest those words should be spread through any discussion of this entire topic.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 12:02 pm to Liberator
quote:That is incorrect, of course.
Mutations are NEVER genetic "evolution" for better functionality or improvement of organism
Mutations are random. They may confer advantage, disadvantage, or little change.
In the case of the former, progeny enjoying the conferred advantage are more likely to thrive and reproduce than are their fellow organisms, and so, the mutation gets passed on.
Sometimes the mutation is a mixed blessing, conferring advantages in heterozygotes but disadvantages in homozygotes. In those instances, half the progeny enjoy the advantage. One-fourth suffer the disadvantage. One-fourth are conferred neither advantage nor disadvantage.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 12:08 pm to Fun Bunch
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This is when a complete lunatic doesn’t realize they are a complete lunatic
Proverbs 11:9 “With his mouth the godless man would destroy his neighbor, but by knowledge the righteous are delivered.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 12:13 pm to BigHeads
quote:Sounds like believers without knowledge are SOL.
Proverbs 11:9 “With his mouth the godless man would destroy his neighbor, but by knowledge the righteous are delivered.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 1:23 pm to BigHeads
Go look through Liberators posts. He’s not a “believer”. He’s a total lunatic.
He believes star forts are portals to alien worlds, that it was impossible to transport bricks in the 1800s, and that the earth is flat.
He believes star forts are portals to alien worlds, that it was impossible to transport bricks in the 1800s, and that the earth is flat.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 1:45 pm to NC_Tigah
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quote: Probably roamed the earth at creation pre flood.
how many of them were on the ark?
This post was edited on 5/21/22 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 5/21/22 at 2:04 pm to cwill
Posted on 5/21/22 at 2:51 pm to NC_Tigah
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That is not quite true is it.
It is true.
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(1) The fact science has not yet found a way to conduct the experiment in no way shape or form excuses us from seeking to do so.
Let's look into the Gremlin Theory of Engine Failure while we're at it. Just like God, we can't see, feel, hear, or detect their presence in any way whatsoever, but they are some destructive frickers nonetheless.
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(2) As stated earlier, refusal to even contemplate the as of yet unexplainable creates an inertia of ignorance.
You're going to have to show me a supernatural entity for me to believe they exist and has some influence over the natural world.
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(3) In the meantime, god-of-the-gaps keeps us all working harder within science for better answers.
There's no reason to mention deities in scientific circles. There's zero verifiable evidence for them.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 2:53 pm to NC_Tigah
Why the sarcasm and attacks? Mockery is a horrible look.
Cant we just find each other's beliefs and differing explanation of the world we live in as something interesting if it doesn't match our own? And move on or modify what we believe. I believe, and will swear by it to my death if necessary, the gospel of Jesus as fact. How old there earth is and dinosaurs won't distract from that.
If you believe there was a time that every spec of matter was stuck together at a single point, for whatever reason it did that, and then expanded in an instant creating the entire universe, then fine. That sounds an awful lot like being spoken into existence by God to me. The expanding universe created and set into motion in an instant, but a day is too quick.
Or that intelligence and life came from chemical and mineral makeups. Very interesting. It doesn't make sense to me but you're not an idiot. I just throw my lot with the word of the Bible because if I'm wrong it doesn't mean damnation. Just lights out
Cant we just find each other's beliefs and differing explanation of the world we live in as something interesting if it doesn't match our own? And move on or modify what we believe. I believe, and will swear by it to my death if necessary, the gospel of Jesus as fact. How old there earth is and dinosaurs won't distract from that.
If you believe there was a time that every spec of matter was stuck together at a single point, for whatever reason it did that, and then expanded in an instant creating the entire universe, then fine. That sounds an awful lot like being spoken into existence by God to me. The expanding universe created and set into motion in an instant, but a day is too quick.
Or that intelligence and life came from chemical and mineral makeups. Very interesting. It doesn't make sense to me but you're not an idiot. I just throw my lot with the word of the Bible because if I'm wrong it doesn't mean damnation. Just lights out
Posted on 5/21/22 at 3:03 pm to Globetrotter747
quote:There's no reason to mention deities in scientific circles. So why go there?
Just like God, we can't see, feel, hear, or detect their presence in any way whatsoever, but they are some destructive frickers nonetheless.
quote:There's no reason to mention deities in scientific circles. So why go there?
You're going to have to show me a supernatural entity
quote:Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the term "god of the gaps"? GOTG is not an explanation finding a warm spot in scientific circles.
(3) In the meantime, god-of-the-gaps keeps us all working harder within science for better answers.
There's no reason to mention deities in scientific circles.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 3:19 pm to Herooftheday
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Why the sarcasm and attacks? Mockery is a horrible look.
Reference? Surely not the cartoon posted to cwill, right?
quote:Good.
I believe, and will swear by it to my death if necessary, the gospel of Jesus as fact. How old there earth is and dinosaurs won't distract from that.
quote:To me as well.
That sounds an awful lot like being spoken into existence by God to me.
quote:Whose "day"?
The expanding universe created and set into motion in an instant, but a day is too quick.
Look something in this equation supersedes the dimension of time. Atheists believe that 'something' is the inanimate mass that became our universe. I believe it's God.
But I also believe we've been blessed with the ability to study and discover properties and nuances of our world. The fact that those elements so closely tie to the Bible is amazing.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 3:51 pm to NC_Tigah
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Whose "day"?
I think this is getting in the weeds. Time seems to really trap us. The scripture pointing out that a day is a thousand years and a thousand years as a day was to illustrate that we exist in a blink. Not necessarily that it is a thousand years or that it is anything we are meant to understand or will ever understand.
Do you think God is bound by our understanding of time? Or that He travels forward in time only? Three one that created free will in man and every law that givens our lives must also be bound by them?
We question everything by nature but we aren't all that smart as beings.
"If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it, we would be so simple that we couldn't."
Emerson Pugh
I think every conversation gets down to philosophical discussion and what ifs. Especially "known" science.
This post was edited on 5/21/22 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 5/21/22 at 4:02 pm to Godfather1
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We just have to accept that human intelligence is limited. There are things we just weren't meant to comprehend, nor are we capable of doing so.
Things like the beginnings of our universe?
Things that we make up a story about to make ourselves feel better. Stories of a creator, or an infinite universe that spontaneously combusted....???
Posted on 5/21/22 at 4:04 pm to Herooftheday
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Cant we just find each other's beliefs and differing explanation of the world we live in as something interesting if it doesn't match our own?
This is an attempt to put pure belief based on nothing on par with facts based on actual data. No thanks.
However, it’s perfectly reasonable to say and believe that God caused the Big Bang, that God put physics of the universe into being that allowed for the earth to form billions of years ago, that allowed a single cell to form, that put evolution into motion.
Science and faith don’t have to be mutually exclusive.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 4:08 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Is this a horsehead nebula or Cthulhu heralding the return of the Old Ones? I think the later.....
Posted on 5/21/22 at 4:10 pm to Fun Bunch
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This is an attempt to put pure belief based on nothing on par with facts based on actual data. No thanks.
There is a LOT of guesswork that goes into the idea that the entire universe was once a single point and that happened approximately 13 billion years ago.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 4:10 pm to Fun Bunch
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Science and faith don’t have to be mutually exclusive.
But they are. That being said I think you probably mean to say one doesn’t preclude the other, which is totally fine. The problem occurs when the faithful try to “scientifically” prove their faith…that’s pseudoscience.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 4:14 pm to Azkiger
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A high school student could improve upon the human design with little thought. Not breathing through the same hole you eat and drink from is a no brainer.
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Azkiger
I see you have never, in your entire life designed anything of consequence.
Perhaps you should refer to the Design Basis Documentation to familiarize yourself with the end user requirements. :lol:
This post was edited on 5/21/22 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 5/21/22 at 4:28 pm to aubie101
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Yep, but science fears opening the door to something that they can't comprehend or quantify, or potentially point to a creator.
That’s pretty stupid.
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