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re: The Scientific Establishment Is Finally Starting To Take Intelligent Design Seriously
Posted on 5/21/22 at 9:50 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 5/21/22 at 9:50 am to NC_Tigah
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("[Dinosaurs] Probably roamed the earth at creation pre flood.")
how many of them were on the ark?
Who said *any* were on the Ark? (Or even "created" by The Almighty during one of the 6 Days of Creation Week?)
There are a few theories about "Dinosaurs" or "Behemoths" (see Job) or "Serpents/Dragons, but that's a separate subject.
If you're a Believer who regards Genesis and account of Noah's Ark and Flood as "parables" and "metaphors" (instead of literally), then you're missing the crucial foundational Chapter of the Bible on which the rest of the Word rests.
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Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:00 am to Azkiger
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And that intelligent designer could have been the product of natural evolution.
Wild theory.
So, you're suggesting a possible "intelligent designer" of the Universe and All Matter who itself "naturally evolved" as a separate entity and by its own authority.
Instead of the Dawkins-like mental contortionism, why not just concede, "Almighty God Created Everything" -- and He remains a Great Mystery"?
Science can NOT replace God.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:03 am to Fun Bunch
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You are always good for a chuckle.
Same here. (Ever get tired and bored of thinking inside the box all the time?)
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:04 am to DreauxB2015
And this is why we are so dumb as a civilization right now. You can’t even comprehend the concept of time.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:10 am to Liberator
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PLEASE help me understand your Muh-Big Bang "Science" Communitah's belief that NOTHING created Everything + Infinity PLUS Order, Intricacy, and Design.
The Big Bang Theory starts with the singularity, which if true, was made up of literally every speck of mass in our universe. You describing that as "nothing" (when it's literally the opposite) shows your ignorance.
What does the Big Bang Theory have to do with creationists' inability to understand the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection?
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:13 am to Herooftheday
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School taught me billions and how they came up with it ["Dinosaurs") never held water and there was always that disclaimer on the methods. You could come to wildly different conclusions on the same specimen.
HEAR HEAR!
"Dinosaurs" were seemingly discovered (quite conveniently and simultaneously) at about the same exact time when the Pagan Halls of Academia began their "Earth-is-Millions-of Years-Old!!" crusade, "Evolution" crusade and Heliocentricism crusade.
The whole "Dinosaurs" sudden insertion into post 1850s "re-education" is beyond suspicious -- as have been the VERY closed system of preserving "Dinosaur bones"; In fact there been no bigger source of hoaxing than of "Pre-Historical" Dinosaur "finds" -- along with "Pre-historic" man (which was designed specifically to force the dismissal of Adam & Eve account as THE First Humans, and along with it, the discrediting of Genesis' Creation.)
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:16 am to Herooftheday
quote:Yes, and in accordance with your interpretation of Genesis, you'd confine your diet to fish based on the parable.
Ever heard give a man a fish, eat for a day; Teach him to fish and he eats a lifetime? Parable
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2 Peter 3:8 speaks of time as irrelevant to God.
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Genesis says everything created in 7 days.
quote:A day or a thousand years?
That verse says a day is a thousand years in God's hands.
Yet, time is irrelevant to God.
Why for example, would there be pretense, given time's stated irrelevance, that days in Genesis were even of equal length?
Was "1000 years" per day a specific measure of something you've already established has no real measure?
Or was 1000 yrs just an example?
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:18 am to Azkiger
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The Big Bang Theory starts with the singularity, which if true, was made up of literally every speck of mass in our universe. You describing that as "nothing" (when it's literally the opposite) shows your ignorance.
Let's presume your statement is true.
WHO or WHAT made the matter that was those "Specks of Mass"?
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What does the Big Bang Theory have to do with creationists' inability to understand the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection?
Must I really explain the science of Genetics?
If "Evolution" exists, you'd need a supernatural Facilitator for "evolved" ALL changed DNA and cellular processes, functions, AND....a Designer.
Can you cite one instance of a proven "Evolution" (and NOT adaptation"?)
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:21 am to kingfish225
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And this is why we are so dumb as a civilization right now. You can’t even comprehend the concept of time.
Yes, we ARE "Dumb" -- but probably not in the context you meant.
I'd like to explore your "Time" tangent further. Please do explain "the concept of time" as you understand it (or were taught); a short concise definition and perspective will do.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:23 am to NC_Tigah
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Was "1000 years" per day a specific measure of something you've already established has no real measure?
Or was 1000 yrs just an example?
Genesis was LITERAL. 7 Days.
Why is this so difficult to accept? (seriously)
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:25 am to Liberator
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Let's presume your statement is true.
WHO or WHAT made the matter that was those "Specks of Mass"?
That's a great question, but it's not relevant to the Big Bang Theory.
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If "Evolution" exists, you'd need a supernatural Facilitator for "evolved" ALL changed DNA and cellular processes, functions, AND....a Designer.
Baseless assertion. How did you come to that conclusion?
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Can you cite one instance of a proven "Evolution" (and NOT adaptation"?)
Human Chromosome #2
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:43 am to Liberator
quote:Evolution is nothing but genetic mutation over time, selected for advantages in a particular environment and passed to progeny.
Can you cite one instance of a proven "Evolution" (and NOT adaptation"?)
Eventually, over thousands of years there are phenotypic changes recognizable as different from groups of predecessors.
It is a genetically trackable phenomenon. There is no doubt whatsoever evolution occurs.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:49 am to NC_Tigah
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There is no doubt whatsoever evolution occurs.
This is why definitions are important. I can agree with that statement and still laugh at the claim that “all life on earth descended from a single-cell organism that formed somehow” has been proven.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:51 am to Azkiger
Thanks for the link. I've checked it out and bookmarked it.
*Excerpt*:
"...ancestral chromosomes that remain separate in other primates. Three genetic indicators provide strong, if not conclusive, evidence of fusion."
The above hypothesis does not remotely proven Evolution.
Moreover, given ALL the creatures and life in the earth, proponents of Darwinism still cannot proven any creature HAS EVER nor CAN "Evolve."
Are you familiar with the desperate Fruit Fly experiment? Mutants are NOT "evolution"; Mutation is De-evolution.
As suggested, "Evolution" -- even if possible -- requires a Facilitator for "evolving" ALL the changed / switched DNA, cellular processes, functions, AND most of all....a Designer (aka Supernatural.)
In this case the Author / Builder / "Facilitator" can only be the Original Creator of All Things -- the same supernatural Almighty God who created everything in 6 Days.
'In Six Days'
'Why 50 Scientists Chose To Believe in Creation'
Excerpt:
Can any scientist with a PhD believe in the idea of a literal six-day creation? In Six Days answers this provocative question with 50 informative essays by scientists who say "Yes!" Taking a factual and scientific look at the evidence for evolution, physicists, biologists, and chemists conclude that evolution may offer no more evidence than traditional religion, and factually, it may lag behind.
*Excerpt*:
"...ancestral chromosomes that remain separate in other primates. Three genetic indicators provide strong, if not conclusive, evidence of fusion."
The above hypothesis does not remotely proven Evolution.
Moreover, given ALL the creatures and life in the earth, proponents of Darwinism still cannot proven any creature HAS EVER nor CAN "Evolve."
Are you familiar with the desperate Fruit Fly experiment? Mutants are NOT "evolution"; Mutation is De-evolution.
As suggested, "Evolution" -- even if possible -- requires a Facilitator for "evolving" ALL the changed / switched DNA, cellular processes, functions, AND most of all....a Designer (aka Supernatural.)
In this case the Author / Builder / "Facilitator" can only be the Original Creator of All Things -- the same supernatural Almighty God who created everything in 6 Days.
'In Six Days'
'Why 50 Scientists Chose To Believe in Creation'
Excerpt:
Can any scientist with a PhD believe in the idea of a literal six-day creation? In Six Days answers this provocative question with 50 informative essays by scientists who say "Yes!" Taking a factual and scientific look at the evidence for evolution, physicists, biologists, and chemists conclude that evolution may offer no more evidence than traditional religion, and factually, it may lag behind.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:02 am to NC_Tigah
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Evolution is nothing but genetic mutation over time, selected for advantages in a particular environment and passed to progeny.
Mutations are NEVER genetic "evolution" for better functionality or improvement of organism; they are always DEFECTS.
With respect to "phenotypic changes", yes, there is such a thing as genetics of the Biblical "kinds" that caused St. Bernard dogs to "morph" into Toy Poodles and domestic Cats into a Lion.
Let's not ever lose sight that the baseline of ALL Life and its "codes and programs" were always Supernatural to begin with (especially if one is a Believer; Even if NOT a Believer, but a disciple of The Big Bang, one must assume a baseline of Matter, Design, and Designer.)
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There is no doubt whatsoever evolution occurs.
Again (and respectfully), the very definition of "Evolution" is fully in question and mis-interpreted -- as is the data.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:04 am to Liberator
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The above hypothesis does not remotely proven Evolution.
It proves humans and the great apes evolved from a common ancestor. That's evolution.
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Moreover, given ALL the creatures and life in the earth, proponents of Darwinism still cannot proven any creature HAS EVER nor CAN "Evolve."
Not sure what "Darwinism" is, but I just provided evidence that shows we evolved along with the great apes from a common ancestor.
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Are you familiar with the desperate Fruit Fly experiment? Mutants are NOT "evolution"; Mutation is De-evolution.
Why can't a mutation be positive?
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As suggested, "Evolution" -- even if possible -- requires a Facilitator for "evolving" ALL the changed / switched DNA, cellular processes, functions, AND most of all....a Designer (aka Supernatural.)
Again, can you substantiate this claim?
This post was edited on 5/21/22 at 11:06 am
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:16 am to Liberator
quote:"But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."
Genesis was LITERAL. 7 Days.
Why is this so difficult to accept
Apparently you forgot "this one thing"
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:31 am to Liberator
quote:No. But a "mutant" gaining advantage through its mutation is naturally selected and eventually ceases to be a mutant, but is instead the new expression of the organism.
Are you familiar with the desperate Fruit Fly experiment? Mutants are NOT "evolution"; Mutation is De-evolution.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:33 am to Liberator
This is when a complete lunatic doesn’t realize they are a complete lunatic.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:34 am to Liberator
There’s no such thing is “de-evolution”.
You don’t have a clue what evolution is.
You don’t have a clue what evolution is.
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