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The reality of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe and South Africa is very sad

Posted on 8/24/18 at 10:22 pm
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 10:22 pm
This whole deal with South Africa piqued my interest and caused me to do some research on the history of the region. My previous flawed perception was that whites within the last 100 years or so came in and ran roughshot over peaceful, established, black dwelling places by conquest or swindling blacks out of land.

Reality paints a much different picture...

Whites arrived in the 17th century. They did purchase land and did take land by conquest...exactly like what happened in America. The blacks in the region...also took land from each other. The Bantu expanded south from central Africa, conquering and absorbing other African peoples in the process...they were not any more native than the Dutch or British.

Like all of human history, land is subject to being taken by force and must be defended. The reality is that whites were well established in South Africa for centuries. They may have taken or purchased land from native Africans...but that land had been taken from its previous owners...and previous owners before that.

Whites set up prosperous countries and territories that, particularly in modern times, highly benefited the black population. The truth is that Communists infiltrated and armed those that took land that had belonged to whites for generations in Rhodesia while the UN sanctioned them to the point that they could not supply themselves adequately. Mugabe was a terrorist and a Communist and ran the region into the ground after expelling the white population.

Mandela was also a Communist and the black takeover of the South African government is leading the same kind of disaster that befell Zimbabwe. Whats sad is that the west turned a blind eye and even aided and abetted those who were only capable of tearing down what was once a great place.

Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
27661 posts
Posted on 8/24/18 at 10:26 pm to
Yes, much of Africa is unstable. But the solutions have to come from within. You can’t just send them some more white people.
Posted by Jrv2damac
KS (mountain time)
Member since Mar 2004
72423 posts
Posted on 8/24/18 at 10:27 pm to
There are no good guys in this kind of shite

But there are better guys

and they're about to be gone
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73295 posts
Posted on 8/24/18 at 10:27 pm to
That is actually wrong

Africa’s biggest problem is leaders who do not want any foreign investment in their nations
Posted by asurob1
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Member since May 2009
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 10:28 pm to
Apartheid (South African English: /?'p??rte?d/; Afrikaans: [a'part??it], lit. "separateness") was a system of institutionalised racial segregation that existed in South Africa from 1948 until the early 1990s.[note 1] Apartheid was characterised by an authoritarian political culture based on baasskap (or white supremacy), which encouraged state repression of Black African, Coloured, and Asian South Africans for the benefit of the nation's minority white population.[4] The economic legacy and social effects of apartheid continue to the present day.[5][6][7]
Posted by kilo
No block, no rock
Member since Oct 2011
29732 posts
Posted on 8/24/18 at 10:31 pm to
Simplistic response and you know this.
Posted by Toddy
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 10:31 pm to

I posted before that I have a good friend who was born in SA, emigrated to the US many years ago. Most of his family still live there and have owned and farmed the same land for many generations. They live in terror and have to sleep behind fireproof metal doors.

They are trying to leave but the government will not give them anything for their land.
Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9952 posts
Posted on 8/24/18 at 10:32 pm to
It’s a little weird how trumpkins suddenly developed a concern for the internal politics of South Africa

Someone must have blown the dog whistle
Posted by indianswim
Plano, TX
Member since Jan 2010
21508 posts
Posted on 8/24/18 at 10:34 pm to
Toddy upvote crew....in???
Posted by Jrv2damac
KS (mountain time)
Member since Mar 2004
72423 posts
Posted on 8/24/18 at 10:36 pm to
quote:

Apartheid (South African English: /?'p??rte?d/; Afrikaans: [a'part??it], lit. "separateness") was a system of institutionalised racial segregation that existed in South Africa from 1948 until the early 1990s.[note 1] Apartheid was characterised by an authoritarian political culture based on baasskap (or white supremacy), which encouraged state repression of Black African, Coloured, and Asian South Africans for the benefit of the nation's minority white population.[4] The economic legacy and social effects of apartheid continue to the present day.[5][6][7]




So that makes this sensible
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
154601 posts
Posted on 8/24/18 at 10:36 pm to
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The blacks in the region...also took land from each other. The Bantu expanded south from central Africa, conquering and absorbing other African peoples in the process...they were not any more native than the Dutch or British.
Why don't people understand this about Am Indians? Instead we get shmaltz about the eternally exploited "Native Americans"
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94860 posts
Posted on 8/24/18 at 10:37 pm to
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Yes, much of Africa is unstable.


To be fair, the non-African world has periods of instability. Chaos theory seems to be on display more often and more consistently there than any other continent.

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But the solutions have to come from within.


You mean the competent white people that, for centuries, were in Rhodesia and are hanging on in South Africa currently?

quote:

ou can’t just send them some more white people.



So, Africa only for black Africans? Got it.



Just one more question: Why is diversity a good thing only if that means not white people?
Posted by jlnoles79
Member since Jan 2014
14275 posts
Posted on 8/24/18 at 10:40 pm to
They shouldn't get a damn penny of aid when they are starving in 10 years
Posted by 03GeeTee
Oklahomastan
Member since Oct 2010
3405 posts
Posted on 8/24/18 at 11:10 pm to
Lol they’ll be starving much sooner than 10 years from now.
Posted by UcobiaA
The Gump
Member since Nov 2010
4148 posts
Posted on 8/25/18 at 12:29 am to
Zimbabwe does and they are trying to recruit white farmers to come back. Why any would go back, I have no idea.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
120296 posts
Posted on 8/25/18 at 12:32 am to
Don't you let Africans colonize your wife?
Posted by habanos
Alabama
Member since Feb 2014
1937 posts
Posted on 8/25/18 at 2:06 am to
Why not
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62622 posts
Posted on 8/25/18 at 2:16 am to
quote:

Don't you let Africans colonize your wife?


Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
80393 posts
Posted on 8/25/18 at 3:57 am to
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do not want any foreign investment in their nations



except China
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
25980 posts
Posted on 8/25/18 at 4:07 am to
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Like all of human history, land is subject to being taken by force and must be defended


This is all that matters and describes both the past and present in many ways
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