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The “Pipeline” Problem Medical Schools Don’t Want to Discuss - Demographic disparities

Posted on 5/20/26 at 3:08 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 3:08 pm
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The “Pipeline” Problem That Medical Schools Don’t Want to Discuss
Demographic disparities in medical and scientific knowledge show up long before admissions time. DEI manipulation at the end of the process doesn’t solve the problem.

by Jukka Savolainen, April Bleske-Rechek
May 18 2026


The U.S. Department of Justice’s recent finding that Yale School of Medicine discriminated on the basis of race in admissions has reignited one of the most contentious debates in higher education. According to the DOJ, black and Hispanic applicants admitted to Yale had substantially lower median MCAT scores and GPAs than white and Asian applicants across multiple admissions cycles, with the department concluding that equally qualified black applicants had dramatically higher odds of receiving interview invitations than comparable Asian applicants.
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One of the most consequential sorting points for medicine occurs long before medical school applications are submitted—indeed, often before students even enter college. Students who eventually become competitive pre-med candidates typically begin signaling interest in, and readiness for, scientific training in high school through advanced coursework—most commonly, Advanced Placement math and science classes.

Our recent research article traces this pipeline using AP coursework, particularly AP Chemistry, one of the clearest large-scale indicators of preparation for rigorous medical training. The disparities at this stage are large, persistent, and cumulative.

Black students make up roughly 14 percent of American high school students but only about 5 percent of AP Chemistry examinees. By contrast, Asian students comprise only about 5 percent of high school students yet account for roughly 27 percent of AP Chemistry examinees. Among black students who take the exam, only about one in five earns a passing score, compared with a majority of white students and roughly two-thirds of Asian students.

At the very top of the distribution—the students most relevant for elite medical training—the differences are especially stark. Only about 2 percent of black AP Chemistry examinees earn the highest possible score of five, compared with roughly 20 percent of Asian examinees. Put differently, there are nearly 50 high-scoring Asian students for every one high-scoring black student.

And these are not isolated disparities. In AP Biology, one finds more than 25 high-scoring Asian students for every one high-scoring black student. In AP Physics, the ratio is roughly 46 to one.

These differences compound across the pipeline. Each stage—taking difficult courses, passing them, excelling in them, mastering advanced scientific material—further narrows the pool of students realistically positioned for elite medical education. By the end of high school, the distribution of academically prepared candidates is already sharply stratified.

Admissions committees do not create these disparities. Once we take the educational pipeline seriously, however, the interpretation of representation changes substantially.
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If the goal is a medical profession both excellent and broadly representative, then the solution cannot consist merely of manipulating admissions outcomes. The work must begin where the disparities first emerge—not where they become politically embarrassing.

The Department of Justice is right to force this conversation.

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Posted by LSUbest
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 3:45 pm to
What's going to happen in 10 years when all of these foreigners are the majority of our doctors and lawyers?

Will they be the major political donors?

Will the be the majority that run for office?
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 3:47 pm to
Who could have seen this coming?
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted by rltiger
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 3:58 pm to
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What's going to happen in 10 years when all of these foreigners are the majority of our doctors and lawyers?


Qualified foreign applicants aren't the issue, it’s unqualified minority candidates that are the problem. They can’t pass their classes or boards and a majority will never be practicing physicians. They are taking slots from people who would practice medicine.

Additionally, the one off are becoming more frequent….

Tulane has a couple, husband and wife, who retired from the military and are in their 3rd year of medical school. Old enough to have kids who graduated from HS and I believe college. By the time they finish their training, they will be in their 50’s. What a waste of two slots.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 4:17 pm to
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What's going to happen in 10 years when all of these foreigners are the majority of our doctors and lawyers?
That is a different issue entirely.

I'd far more prefer maintaining admissions as is, but opening up more slots for the qualified US students currently being turned away, than to import FMGs to back-fill subsequent residency/practice shortages.

US MD shortages are artificially created by CMS under the idiotic belief that fewer doctors equates to CMS cost savings. At the same time, in its continuous march toward socialized medicine, CMS reimbursement structure obliterates competition.
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 4:20 pm to
You still involved in medicine?

If so, are female doctors working fewer hours than their male counterparts? From my previous career that was a huge concern with dentistry. The women folk grads didn’t pull as many chair hours exacerbating an already challenging supply and demand situation.

ETA: not meaning to derail the topic
This post was edited on 5/20/26 at 4:23 pm
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26542 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 4:26 pm to
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If the goal is a medical profession both excellent and broadly representative, then the solution cannot consist merely of manipulating admissions outcomes. The work must begin where the disparities first emerge—not where they become politically embarrassing.


Jews and Asians are heavy into serious after school programs. They aren't teaching basket weaving and finger painting. That makes a huge difference.

Some cultures think that making kids do an afterschool program is robbing them of their childhood.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 5:31 pm to
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are female doctors working fewer hours than their male counterparts?
Without question.
Meanwhile, they are a larger component of Med School classes than ever.
The combination opens the door for more FMGs to fill the subsequent voids.

Bang for the buck with female Med School admissions is unquestionably lower than with males. Stereotypically, they more commonly seek limitations in hours and call. They go part-time more frequently, and retire earlier. But CMS does not press that issue, and Med Schools have zero incentive to care.

It's also an unpredictable generality though. One of the best docs I've worked with is female, lesbian (you would never know), worked her arse off, and was an outstanding business partner.

Again, I'm all for extended opportunity. If women quit at 40, so be it. Just don't turn away extraordinarily qualified US Asian male applicants in exchange for those slots. Bring them in as well, with the full knowledge there will inevitably be earlier career attrition among female matriculants in the workforce.
Posted by CrystalPreserves
Member since May 2019
4293 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 6:05 pm to
You’re treating physicians like productivity units, not people.

Yes, some female physicians work fewer hours on average in certain settings. That’s not the same thing as proving lower value, lower competence, or a bad admissions investment. Specialty choice, burnout, family responsibilities, and practice models matter.

The “bang for the buck” framing is especially revealing. If the concern is physician shortages, expand training capacity and residency slots instead of implying women in medicine are a workforce inefficiency.

And the “one of my best docs was female” caveat doesn’t strengthen the argument nearly as much as you seem to think it does.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
5331 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 6:58 pm to
Admissions isn't even the scary part. The scary part is graduation, and certification. The admissions process has been manipulated for a long time, but all students were still required to finish a rigorous curriculum with passing scores. Somewhere along the way, "equity" was introduced into the testing process to ensure that we ended up with an acceptable ratio of "doctors".
This post was edited on 5/20/26 at 7:01 pm
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
13276 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 7:11 pm to
The number 1 problem with medical schools - and it has a big impact on healthcare costs - is the residency funding limits from the federal government that medical doctor lobbyists actively pursue keeping capped at a low number to increase their wages at the expense of degrading our service.

It would make medicare and medicaid cheaper for the taxpayer long term if we paid for many more residencies. It would be better for this country but worst for the doctors if we deflated their salaries by flooding the supply side. My assumption is the schooling prices would go down if the residency slots were more numerous. I have heard a few people I know in medical school academia suggest that would be the case.

That is how you get DEI without headass programs to manufacture it. Just flood the zone with doctors. You're going to end up with more people from different backgrounds because it won't be as competitive. Just to be frank. We don't need MENSA brain geniuses to be a rural general physician or hospitalist. We just need bodies who are certified to cover all our communities.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
7971 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 7:47 pm to
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If the goal is a medical profession both excellent and broadly representative, then the solution cannot consist merely of manipulating admissions outcomes. The work must begin where the disparities first emerge—not where they become politically embarrassing.


They don't want to admit where the biggest disparity is...
In the home life.

Posted by Csmims
A sandy beach in paradise
Member since Jan 2019
4093 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 7:56 pm to
This is actually been going on for decades
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41099 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 8:00 pm to
This is an issue in the CPA field as well,

There are not enough minority CPAs especially in leadership… so DEI programs pop up such that minority CPA - regardless of competence - is fast tracked into leadership. Often with disastrous results.

Most of them are coming from places like Grambling - a school that has single digit exam pass rates.

In high schools that offer accounting as a class… there are few to none minority students.

These issues - such as you think it’s an issue - start in high school, if not earlier.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3705 posts
Posted on 5/20/26 at 8:04 pm to
If you need cancer treatment or surgery, are you going to opt for a white or Asian doctor who had to beat out all the DEIs, or are you going to pick a DEI doctor? Despite some DEI types being intelligent, skilled, and experienced, why take a chance on one of them? The problem is the system.

The world isn’t fair. Population groups are different and have different characteristics. Some are better than others at certain things. It’s science actually.
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