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re: The people spoke loudly last night......the right to murder is paramount.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 8:29 am to Corinthians420
Posted on 11/8/23 at 8:29 am to Corinthians420
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Seems like it is still there in that version as well.
I dont believe you truly believe this and are just trying to sway Christians or you are deceived, or both. However, if you are seeking him in spirit and truth as a true worshipper of Christ, I would implore you to apply much broader Scripture as to seek Gods heart.(ie do you also think its ok to hold a rattlesnake and see what happens?) Ask yourself, is Gods heart really ok with murdering life in the womb out of convenience(vast majority of abortions) or is he for the preservation of life?
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Posted on 11/8/23 at 8:31 am to Bass Tiger
quote:I don't understand this hyperbole.
The people spoke loudly last night......the right to murder is paramount.
Under Roe v. Wade abortion was legal in all 50 U.S. states.
After it was overturned it was left up to each state to decide the legality of abortion, with much celebration by conservatives.
Today abortion on demand is legal in only 29 states and illegal in 21 states.
That doesn't sound like abortion is "paramount" to me.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 8:31 am to armtackledawg
Abortion is a sin, but we live in a world full of sin.
We are not in heaven. When we get there, there will be no murder, abortion, suffering.
I can be content with the fact less children die through abortion or other means than any time in history. That is a victory in itself.
In the past some cultures wouldn't even name their children at birth because the odds of them dying were so great.
We are not in heaven. When we get there, there will be no murder, abortion, suffering.
I can be content with the fact less children die through abortion or other means than any time in history. That is a victory in itself.
In the past some cultures wouldn't even name their children at birth because the odds of them dying were so great.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 8:33 am to rmnldr
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It’s surely going that way because y’all enjoy losing elections and punting the ball every chance you get! Your team is full of whining losers with ZERO convictions, ZERO principles, and ZERO morals. Don’t ever call yourself a conservative again.
You can get off your soap box now and come back to reality that your guy with these values is down 50 points in his own state to us. Also you’ve claimed you voted for trump twice yet criticize the policies, and tbh DeSantis campaign is no different than trump DeSantis and your cult just sucks arse and are losers.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 8:34 am to DreauxB2015
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Amazing how cheating gets you to believe how they want
If McConnel allows Garland to come up for vote in the Senate, Dobbs never happens, Roe is law, and Rs can still peddle abortion as a winning issue rather than proving that people want it legal.
McConnell didn’t allow it. Blame him.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 8:36 am to olemissfan26
quote:what did Jesus say about personal responsibility?
We are called as Christians to protect the innocent. Unborn babies are the most pure and innocent forms of life. Running from that fight because it’s politically inconvenient is cowardly.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 8:43 am to rattlebucket
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Ask yourself, is Gods heart really ok with murdering life in the womb out of convenience(vast majority of abortions) or is he for the preservation of life?
He would not allow it if he was not OK with it. Abortion has been around as long as civilization has existed.
I think modern comforts have made many forget how brutal life is.
In the past, 40% of all children died before they were 15. Now in the US, 99% live until they are 18.
Even if you feel babies are being cheated of life now (I believe they go to heaven, which is not being cheated of anything), you must admit it is less than there ever were.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 8:50 am to Corinthians420
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He would not allow it if he was not OK with it.
We have free will that allows you to do sin. If you had no free will you wouldn’t be allowed to sin and you wouldn’t have a choice to make about accepting Christ.
You have an extremely warped view of Christianity. I think you need to look into churches in your local area that study the KJV of the Bible exclusively. Your viewpoints have no doctrinal basis.
I can help you if you want. I’d also recommend Campus Church on the campus of Pensacola Christian College if you’d like to watch live streams.
This post was edited on 11/8/23 at 8:51 am
Posted on 11/8/23 at 8:56 am to Bass Tiger
If the left is so determined to live childless lives, let them. We see how they push their kids into homosexuality, transgenderism and pedophilia.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 8:59 am to rmnldr
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We have free will that allows you to do sin. If you had no free will you wouldn’t be allowed to sin and you wouldn’t have a choice to make about accepting Christ.
Proof that God does not expect us to be perfect.
I don't believe God is gonna hold it against my immortal soul for not saving someone in California that wants to abort their child, any more than I would be blamed for someone in China, France, or even Palestine having an abortion.
We just need to face that it is not our responsibility to be others moral police.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 9:03 am to rmnldr
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You and I are not on the same team. It’s a joke to even suggest we are.
I'm not on your outlaw abortion above all stance either.
You don't turn the people's opinions and values on a dime and that is what you expect.
Ever since abortion got overturned you people have tried to go back to the 50's in one election. It doesn't work that way.
btw-A majority of republican voters do not want an abortion ban. When their own voters don't support bans or tight limits, it is beyond stupid to make it a big campaign platform.
This post was edited on 11/8/23 at 9:06 am
Posted on 11/8/23 at 9:06 am to BuckyCheese
Looks to me like Ohio is leaning Libertarian.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 9:06 am to Bass Tiger
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As a Christian and a conservative I don't need any legislation banning abortion, the Holy Spirit reminds me murdering the innocent unborn is an abomination to the Creator.
Why is abortion an abomination to our Creator but he's apparently cool with childhood cancer?
Posted on 11/8/23 at 9:10 am to mark65mc
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f the left is so determined to live childless lives, let them.
You see folks like you and the OP just dont get it. Many, and I would even venture to say most of the people that vote pro choice will never have an abortion and under most normal circumstances would not consider it. They just dont want the option off the table or for lawmakers to be the ones to decide when it should be an option or not.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 9:10 am to GoblinGuide
Voters just latch onto the status quo. Before Roe, 2 of 3 statewide ballot measures on abortion (seeking to liberalize the law) failed. Then Roe happened, and created a new status quo: unrestricted abortion for 50 years.
This is why the Democratic position is unrestricted abortion. The Republicans in Virginia supported a 15-week law. This is more permissive than almost all European countries, but apparently too "extreme" for voters. It is the Roe effect, and will take some time to wear off.
This is why the Democratic position is unrestricted abortion. The Republicans in Virginia supported a 15-week law. This is more permissive than almost all European countries, but apparently too "extreme" for voters. It is the Roe effect, and will take some time to wear off.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 9:10 am to Bass Tiger
The narrative has been portrayed as "Freedom of choice". Not "Freedom to kill babies". When you frame it that way, many people don't like to be told what they can or can't do.
IMO, abortion is the most OVERBLOWN discussion on both sides of the political spectrum. One that is allowed to override much more important matters in society. I fully agree with the USSC's ruling that there is no constitutional right to abortion. Therefore, the legality of it should fall to the states. If Ohio wants it to be legal and Mississippi doesn't, so be it.
IMO, abortion is the most OVERBLOWN discussion on both sides of the political spectrum. One that is allowed to override much more important matters in society. I fully agree with the USSC's ruling that there is no constitutional right to abortion. Therefore, the legality of it should fall to the states. If Ohio wants it to be legal and Mississippi doesn't, so be it.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 9:13 am to Alt26
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The narrative has been portrayed as "Freedom of choice". Not "Freedom to kill babies". When you frame it that way, many people don't like to be told what they can or can't do.
The dems have very successfully convinced women that it is about their rights and that the repubs want to take women's rights away.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 9:15 am to Corinthians420
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Explain why the Lord was performing abortions then?
HE wasn't. But I'm guessing you've never read, or studied, The Word. Most likely don't attend a Bible teaching Church either.
What you are doing is blaspheming GOD. Not surprising.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 9:17 am to BuckyCheese
Women put immense pressure on each other in the era of social media to engage in social causes. It's no different than every suburban woman wanting the same bag or names for the kid. Remember blacking out your instagram? Social media has created this fictitious world for American women and unfortunately progressive politics has wormed its way in.
It's how you get to "I'm pro choice, we need to stop school shootings but someone has to do something about the crime I have small children!"
It's a vapid, empty culture and influencers and paper thin belief in social causes are filling the void.
Men aren't immune, our issues just don't impact this particular item as much.
It's how you get to "I'm pro choice, we need to stop school shootings but someone has to do something about the crime I have small children!"
It's a vapid, empty culture and influencers and paper thin belief in social causes are filling the void.
Men aren't immune, our issues just don't impact this particular item as much.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 9:18 am to riccoar
quote:God could stop every abortion in less than a blink of an eye. So the only options are that he is OK with it, or that he never thought anyone would do it.
HE wasn't. But I'm guessing you've never read, or studied, The Word. Most likely don't attend a Bible teaching Church either.
What you are doing is blaspheming GOD. Not surprising.
So by saying he isn't OK with it, you are accusing God of ignorance.
Exodus 21:22-25. This part of the Covenant Code legislates the case of a pregnant woman who becomes involved in a brawl between 2 men and has a miscarriage. A distinction is then made between the penalty that is to be exacted for the loss of the fetus and injury to the woman. For the fetus, a fine is paid as determined by the husband and the judges. However, if the woman is injured or dies, "lex talionis" is applied -- life for life, eye for eye, etc.
It is abundantly clear in the scripture that a fetus is treated differently than a living person.
This post was edited on 11/8/23 at 9:24 am
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