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re: The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted on 5/14/22 at 1:00 pm to Palmetto98
Posted on 5/14/22 at 1:00 pm to Palmetto98
Reading the OT, Ukraine is just moments away from invading Russia.
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Posted on 5/14/22 at 1:06 pm to Lima Whiskey
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But the Russians changed strategies, and now they’re fighting the way they’ve trained to fight.
Retreating from Kiev and Karkiev are Russian tactics?
The fact is Ukraine has been defeating Russia in the north. In the East it’s about 50/50 and Russian gains in the South have been halted for now.
Russia hadn’t changed tactics, they retreated, consolidated and continued what they were doing in the east and are holding on in the South.
How will it play out? I don’t know, but I believe that now through July will be huge.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 1:09 pm to doubleb
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Retreating from Kiev and Karkiev are Russian tactics?
The fact is Ukraine has been defeating Russia in the north. In the East it’s about 50/50 and Russian gains in the South have been halted for now.
Russia hadn’t changed tactics, they retreated, consolidated and continued what they were doing in the east and are holding on in the South.
How will it play out? I don’t know, but I believe that now through July will be huge.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 1:35 pm to JayDeerTay84
Both sides will claim victory eventually. Russia will take Donbass and the south. Ukraine will say Kiev still stands. US gets to send trillions for years to keep up aproxy war.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 2:19 pm to JayDeerTay84
LINK if this is accurate then Ukraine should surrender. No wonder they are trying to rush that 40 billion through.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 2:24 pm to texas tortilla
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LINK if this is accurate then Ukraine should surrender. No wonder they are trying to rush that 40 billion through.
I was just always amazed that after the media being caught lying for the past number of years damn near everyone believed the Media on Ukraine.
I mean, after covid, you think they would be a little skeptical. Nope. Anyone skeptical of the Ukraine news was called a Putin bro or some other bullshite.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 2:51 pm to texas tortilla
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LINK if this is accurate then Ukraine should surrender. No wonder they are trying to rush that 40 billion through.
There's definitely some hopium in that link.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 2:55 pm to crazy4lsu
Did sec. Austin call russia and ask for a cease fire or not. What is the US media reporting?
Posted on 5/14/22 at 3:03 pm to Stidham8
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Once they capture Kyiv they will turn their attention West. Not much resistance will be left at that point. They will take all of Ukraine.
From March 3rd lol
No wonder Stidham8 always comes off as butthurt.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:41 pm to doubleb
The Ukrainians are facing a catastrophic defeat.
- Col. Macgregor
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retired generals paid little attention to the operational situation. Contrary to the picture painted by Western analysts, Russian ground forces pressed forward, moving methodically along a 300-mile front to identify and selectively attack Ukrainian forces.
Few analysts in the West knew or cared that Russian commanders were instructed to avoid collateral damage to the civilian population and infrastructure. Initially, concerns about collateral damage clearly constrained the Russian army’s action, but in time, Russian operations encircled key urban areas in Eastern Ukraine where Ukrainian forces sought to establish defensive strongholds stocked with ammunition, food, and water. Russian operational intent changed, focusing on systematically reducing the encircled Ukrainian forces and not on capturing metropolitan areas.
Russia’s enormous advantage in strike forces—rocket artillery, tactical ballistic missiles, conventional artillery, and aircraft—combined with significant Ukrainian deficiencies in mobility, air defense, and strike assets, made the Ukrainian decision to defend inside urban areas inevitable. But Ukrainian forces’ inability to effectively maneuver and coordinate counteroffensives on the operational level ceded the strategic initiative to Russian forces early. It also simplified the conduct of Russian “attrition by strike operations.” Key Ukrainian airfields, bridge sites, railway junctions and transportation assets were neutralized or destroyed, isolating forward deployed Ukrainian forces from resupply or reinforcement.
Ten weeks after the conflict began, it is instructive to re-examine the strategic picture. The war against Russia in Ukraine has evolved, but not in the way Western observers predicted. Ukrainian forces look shattered and exhausted. The supplies reaching Ukrainian troops fighting in Eastern Ukraine are a fraction of what is needed. In most cases, replacements and new weapons are destroyed long before they reach the front.
- Col. Macgregor
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Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:43 pm to crazy4lsu
The question answers itself.
We asked for a ceasefire, because the situation is quite bad, and it’s getting worse.
We asked for a ceasefire, because the situation is quite bad, and it’s getting worse.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 8:34 pm to JayDeerTay84
Russian has the second strongest military in the world. Does anyone really believe Ukraine had a chance? I believe if Russia really wanted to really destroy Ukraine that would be no problem.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 8:55 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Sweet, I’m happy to see this sticky gone, it was certainly a sticky worthy thread, but it outlived its usefulness
Posted on 5/14/22 at 9:59 pm to texas tortilla
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: Russia invades Ukraine by texas tortilla
LINK if this is accurate then Ukraine should surrender. No wonder they are trying to rush that 40 billion through.
If it’s true then by this time next week the war will be over, right?
Posted on 5/15/22 at 4:02 am to Lima Whiskey
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We asked for a ceasefire, because the situation is quite bad, and it’s getting worse.
Or it's just political lip service. Even if Russia wins, they are entering into a quagmire. There is no sustainable political victory for them on hand, they've isolated themselves and made their worst dreams a reality by encouraging the Nordic countries to join NATO. That's a far worse security situation than the one they had a year ago. Whatever economic power they had in terms of oil and gas is fleeting, given the sheer amount of investment Europe will collectively offer in order to not rely on Russian gas.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 11:12 am to Lima Whiskey
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Col. Macgregor
That link was certainly biased. He mischaracterized the support for Ukraine like a scorned lover, same as the Hyper-MAGA crowd on here. It's a proxy war. Winning is ALMOST irrelevant. As noted by many, Russia's economy is on par with Texas. We are meeting them on a playing field where we have the advantage.
Also, NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY assured or even insinuated that Ukraine could defeat the RF. Best they could possibly do is fight to a draw and negotiate the return of stolen lands. Short of that they can make it a long drawn-out painful act of aggression by RF hopefully making them regret the action.
There is rarely a yes-no answer in statecraft.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:20 am to GeorgeTheGreek
The Azov brigade surrendered to Russian forces in Mariupol
Kiev has called the surrender a “rescue mission” and labeled it an “evacuation.” Reading CNN, you’d think they were being taken into custody by the Red Cross.
But they’re not, these men are now prisoners of war, and some will be put on trial for war crimes.
What’s interesting to me, is the not the ludicrous Ukrainian framing, but that Kiev feels the need to put it this way.
Why does it matter? Why is the defeat of Azov so problematic, that it needs to be pretended away.
Kiev has called the surrender a “rescue mission” and labeled it an “evacuation.” Reading CNN, you’d think they were being taken into custody by the Red Cross.
But they’re not, these men are now prisoners of war, and some will be put on trial for war crimes.
What’s interesting to me, is the not the ludicrous Ukrainian framing, but that Kiev feels the need to put it this way.
Why does it matter? Why is the defeat of Azov so problematic, that it needs to be pretended away.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 10:21 am
Posted on 5/19/22 at 10:28 am to BigHeads
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The biggest, global, money laundering operation this side of the millenium?
Fake war, where are the bodies? Where is the blood? Some article said ten civilians were shot while standing in line for food. Um....doesn't sound like a warzone, sounds more like a refugee camp. Speaking of refugees, Poland let in over 2.5 million potential spies...err refugees.
All I see is outdated soviet military equipment being put to bed, in cities that were already evacuated. The premise of war being used to wipe the evidence of bio labs and burisma investigation. (Before destroying a bio lab from afar, probably a good idea to evacuate the area). While the Russisans and Ukrainians are financially compensated with a previous generation of weapons technology, and a fake oil crisis to further line the pockets of everyone involved.
Meanwhile, we are being used, and pushed to the poor house with FAKEFLATION devaluing the dollar, continued crowd control covid 2.0, and more emotional narratives designed to stop logical thought...."think of the children! Oh my god!" "Bodies everywhere, the death toll is unbearable!", but we can't show you that right now. Instead, here is a picture of an old building we evacuated and blew up.
Wake up people, media created the covid hysteria, they are creating war hysteria now. You didn't believe them then, why believe them now?
Biden supposedly had it out for Russia from his first day in office. Easy money.
Well...this post aged well.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:05 pm to QboveTopSecret
Here’s a bump for all of you that invaded the OT because nobody was wanting to discuss your opinions on the war.
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