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re: The narrative about cities turning into shite holes
Posted on 8/8/25 at 8:14 pm to Turbeauxdog
Posted on 8/8/25 at 8:14 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Why does a community need to have a plan to address ills befallen to a group through their own choices?
You agree there is no plan to address a serious societal problem.
quote:What alternatives have been tried in AP? What were the outcomes?
Especially when all available alternatives seem to be an ineffectual black hole of resources?
Why
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do you think they are ignoring it?
How has AP addressed it?
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Understanding that nothing productive can be done and acting accordingly is a responsible choice.
Is this AP’s official stance? And that’s not actively depending on other communities to provide resources for AP’s homeless population?
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However I'm glad we've established that no one is "actively" relying on cities to take care of it. That was stupid.
You just said AP is addressing homelessness by choosing to do nothing for their homeless population. That was your claim.
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Posted on 8/8/25 at 8:31 pm to 4cubbies
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When was the last time you spent the night in New Orleans?
Less than two months ago.
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How many times were you victimized?
On that trip? None. But there were 7 car burglaries in a five block radius of my hotel within a ten day period surrounding my stay, just from viewing basic criminal reports to NOPD.
I don’t understand what you gain by denying that New Orleans has a crime problem and has for a long time.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 8:34 pm to 4cubbies
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I’m saying that New Orleans is a lot safer today than it was 30 years ago.
And you’re saying that based on raw numbers of:
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Its peak was in 1994, with 424 murders. There were 266 murders in 2022.
Oh, so you mean a period of time where the city’s population declined.
And you conveniently ignored non-murder crimes, which are in excess of 90% of criminal activity. Robberies, home invasions, property crimes, petty theft, etc are rampant in New Orleans. All over the city
Posted on 8/8/25 at 8:53 pm to Indefatigable
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And you conveniently ignored non-murder crimes, which are in excess of 90% of criminal activity. Robberies, home invasions, property crimes, petty theft, etc are rampant in New Orleans. All over the city
I see you are critical of my data. What data informed your claims?
Posted on 8/8/25 at 8:58 pm to 4cubbies
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see you are critical of my data.
Nope. I’m critical of your conclusion from taking raw stats and applying them to what amounts to two different cities.
Again, are you denying that New Orleans has a crime problem?
I didn’t say murder problem. I said crime problem.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:05 pm to Indefatigable
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I don’t understand what you gain by denying that New Orleans has a crime problem and has for a long time.
I’m denying that New Orleans is more dangerous today than it was 20, 25 or 30 years ago.
It’s not. Calling it a shithole from whatever suburban village you live in is great and all but the millions of tourists who visit and the hundreds of thousands of people who choose to live here disagree.
Why did you visit a shithole?
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But there were 7 car burglaries in a five block radius of my hotel within a ten day period surrounding my stay, just from viewing basic criminal reports to NOPD.
Where did you find this data?
This is the closest thing I could find but it doesn’t list addresses.
LINK
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:09 pm to Indefatigable
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Again, are you denying that New Orleans has a crime problem
I’m claiming New Orleans hasn’t turned into a shithole in the last 20 years. It’s objectively safer today than it was then.
This post was edited on 8/8/25 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:11 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
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Atlanta, Knoxville and Macon are the three I'm most familiar with.
Now do Detroit. Once one of the most industrious cities in the entire US
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Coleman Young
In office
January 1, 1974 – January 3, 1994
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A survey of historians, political scientists and urban experts conducted by Melvin G. Holli of the University of Illinois at Chicago ranked Young as one of the worst American big-city mayors to have served since 1820.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 9:23 pm to RobbBobb
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Now do Detroit. Once one of the most industrious cities in the entire US
You should read The Origins of the Urban Crisis: Race and Inequality in Postwar Detroit
Posted on 8/8/25 at 10:34 pm to 4cubbies
His conclusions omit the very thing that all historians claim occurred after WWII. The beginnings of suburbs. For the first time in history, men returning from the war didnt want to live in the family home. They moved out of the cities and off the farms
The author wants to blame that on racism. Yet in 1943, the race riots in Detroit occurred during the middle of WWII. Poor timing to demand personal attention. Resulting in businesses moving out. Whites followed; to escape what they knew was coming. Detroit turning into a shithole
The population went from almost 2 million to 600,000 in a decade. White flight. All because the evils of the city were blamed on white people. The very people that led it into prominence
That was happening yet again. That why Trump was elected
The author wants to blame that on racism. Yet in 1943, the race riots in Detroit occurred during the middle of WWII. Poor timing to demand personal attention. Resulting in businesses moving out. Whites followed; to escape what they knew was coming. Detroit turning into a shithole
The population went from almost 2 million to 600,000 in a decade. White flight. All because the evils of the city were blamed on white people. The very people that led it into prominence
That was happening yet again. That why Trump was elected
Posted on 8/8/25 at 10:38 pm to 4cubbies
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I’m claiming New Orleans hasn’t turned into a shithole in the last 20 years. It’s objectively safer today than it was then.
Good stay there in NOLA. Be happy and live there. AP that you keep constantly trashing has allowed my modest middle class family to raise unbelievable kids with a great public education. I also know many lower class people who have benefited from a great education in Ascension Parish. How many places can you be poor and say that about a community? New Orleans has some very good Catholic schools and a very few elite charter/magnet schools. The rest are absolute shite. Why doesn’t New Orleans care about the education of their children? Why are their schools so crappy? Are homeless people the only people who matter to you? Children don’t rate in your equation? Ascension has one of the best public school systems in the state. Giving children a future is as important as homeless people. Children matter too, but apparently not to New Orleans. Maybe you are a homeless expert, but you don’t know shite about other areas of life like education. New Orleans keeps kids poor and desperate.
This post was edited on 8/8/25 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 8/8/25 at 10:56 pm to 4cubbies
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he Origins of the Urban Crisis: Race and Inequality in Postwar Detroit
Does it explain how the unions blew up Detroit?
Posted on 8/8/25 at 11:08 pm to 4cubbies
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You agree there is no plan to address a serious societal problem.
There is no plan anywhere. It's a product of cultural and moral decay. A government program won't address it.
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What alternatives have been tried in AP? What were the outcomes?
There are no alternatives, government can't fix it.
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How has AP addressed it?
They shouldn't, and neither should Baton Rouge.
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Is this AP’s official stance? And that’s not actively depending on other communities to provide resources for AP’s homeless population?
No idea. And I think i see the problem, you don't know what "actively" means. Do you mean to say passively?
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You just said AP is addressing homelessness by choosing to do nothing for their homeless population. That was your claim.
This makes no sense.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 11:20 pm to Indefatigable
quote:Why don't you show your math? The population in 1994 was estimated at 490K. In 2022, 370K. So if we normalize per 100K, you'll see that's 8.65/100K in 1994 vs 7.19/100K in 2022 (and it's gone down since then). That's a 17% drop in the time you declare it to have gotten so much worse.
Oh, so you mean a period of time where the city’s population declined.
quote:Show your math or STFU. Your "feelings" about crime don't count.
And you conveniently ignored non-murder crimes, which are in excess of 90% of criminal activity. Robberies, home invasions, property crimes, petty theft, etc are rampant in New Orleans. All over the city
Posted on 8/8/25 at 11:30 pm to Turbeauxdog
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There are no alternatives, government can't fix it.
Shelters are very effective.
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They shouldn't, and neither should Baton Rouge.
You don’t have to care about anyone other than yourself, obviously. To say NO ONE should try to help other humans is very out of touch. Lots of people are happy to see their tax dollars used to provide shelter for marginalized and vulnerable members of their communities.
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No idea. And I think i see the problem, you don't know what "actively" means. Do you mean to say passively?
I guess our debate has devolved into a semantics game for obvious reasons.
adverb
adverb: actively
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in a deliberate and positive way.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 11:32 pm to LemmyLives
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Does it explain how the unions blew up Detroit?
Read it and find out for yourself.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 11:35 pm to RobbBobb
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The author wants to blame that on racism
He doesn’t blame the desire to live in your own home on racism. He doesn’t address that at all. You should read the book.
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The population went from almost 2 million to 600,000 in a decade. White flight. All because the evils of the city were blamed on white people
Hold up. What do you think white flight is? White people eunning away from other white people?
Posted on 8/8/25 at 11:52 pm to Sofaking2
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Good stay there in NOLA. Be happy and live there
what do you think I’m doing? quote:
AP that you keep constantly trashing
I haven’t trashed it at all.
quote:same except in New Orleans.
family to raise unbelievable kids with a great public education.
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How many places can you be poor and say that about a community? New Orleans has some very good Catholic schools and a very few elite charter/magnet schools. The rest are absolute shite.
Another expert on New Orleans who has never lived in New Orleans and can’t even name 3 schools here that you are making these declarations about. Name one of these schools you say is shite and tell me what makes it shite.
I went to a birthday party in Livingston Parish last weekend. One of the other guests was incredulous after she learned that my kids go to public school in New Orleans. “I thought all the schools were horrible there but your kids seem normal and well-behaved.”
I asked her what about the public schools in NO made them so bad. She couldn’t answer that and neither can you. I’m glad your kids are getting a good education but you don’t seem to possess any critical thinking skills.
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Why doesn’t New Orleans care about the education of their children? Why are their schools so crappy?
You have no idea what you’re talking about and it’s very obvious. You’re just repeating things you heard in the 1990s
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Are homeless people the only people who matter to you?
?? Did you not read the thread?
quote:I don’t claim that children are proof that a city has gone to shite. What are you talking about?
Children don’t rate in your equation?
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Children matter too, but apparently not to New Orleans.
I can’t respond to emotional nonsense. Take some breaths.
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you don’t know shite about other areas of life like education.
I bet you $10,000 that I know much more about education than you do. quote:
New Orleans keeps kids poor and desperate.
More in-depth analysis from our resident expert on New Orleans.
This post was edited on 8/8/25 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 8/8/25 at 11:55 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
Did a “violent hip swivel “ cause your brain damage? No offense intended.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 8:18 am to 4cubbies
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Shelters are very effective.
At what ? Hahahahha
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To say NO ONE should try to help other humans is very out of touch.
I'm saying you can't. You can try and waste resources and feel better about yourself. But that's the extent of it.
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Lots of people are happy to see their tax dollars used to provide shelter for marginalized and vulnerable members of their communities.
To make themselves feel better and virtuous, especially when it's mostly other people's money.
These people aren't marginalized, that statement means they are victims of another party or social structure. They are not. Primarily they are drug users whose drug use has pushed them into debilitating mental illness. That can't be fixed by the government. The single mom who lost her job and fell through the cracks into homelessness is orders of magnitude the exception and not the rule.
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I guess our debate has devolved into a semantics game for obvious reasons.
You made a baseless claim in an ineffectual attempt defend shitholes run by your compatriots.
Take the L.
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