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re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days
Posted on 12/28/25 at 11:01 am to FooManChoo
Posted on 12/28/25 at 11:01 am to FooManChoo
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I believe that governments can make such laws but that they see not necessary. The civil/judicial laws and ceremonial laws were abrogated with the death of Christ and the gospel given to the Gentiles.
That’s beside the point, though. If God commands a thing, it cannot be sin.
There are examples of just war and the death penalty throughout Scripture and they cannot violate the 6th commandment. So, your image is incorrect about those things.
Ah yes, the "Jesus did it so I don't have to" exception.
Except when it suits you of course, then it matters greatly. Actually do anything yourself - not valid. Going to war and killing millions of civilians - justified.
Do you also think Hitler was justified?
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All governments use taxes to fund administration, like paying workers’ salaries.
My point wasn’t to focus on the details of how tax dollars are spent, but to say that the Bible doesn’t treat taxes like theft. Jesus told the tax collector to take only what is owed, for example. So again, the image is wrong about the 8th commandment.
So all taxes are justified under God according to you, even the ones used to kill millions of innocent people and to oppress the people such as Germany during WW2.
And we as a people have a duty to never rebel against our governments, always pay taxes and never question them.
Yeah, bullshite. You get the government you deserve, and people who don't stand up for God and the things that are right will get the terrible governments they deserve.
I guess the US was founded in sin according to you since they rebelled against their own government and refused to pay those taxes.
I would say the opposite, it's our duty to stand up to tyranny.
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It shouldn’t be. The standard is God‘s infallible word, and according to His word, lying is sinful.
But you still vote for them and accept them as such. Allowing them to tax you and have all kinds of control in your life.
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Again, government collecting taxes is not theft, but a standard practice supported by Scripture. They are the ones printing the currency, which was Jesus’ point in asking whose face was on the money before saying to give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar.
Regarding your pictures that violate the 2nd commandment: no, it isn’t the job of the government to take over all care for the poor or the needy, but there isn’t anything inherently sinful in their helping to do so. All Christians still have the obligation to help their neighbors as they have the ability and resources, following the order of loves. Government using taxes to help is not unbiblical in itself.
It's theft. The bible also talks about slavery and those slaves only paid 20%. We are taxed much further in addition to the fractional reserve practices that inflate our money supply and enslave the people via usury.
You are taking your neighbors resources and giving it to other people. That is theft, and you are coveting your neighbors property.
And once again, the agencies listed in the meme do not help others. Our income tax for example is only used to pay the interest on the fake debt given by the money changers.
This post was edited on 12/28/25 at 11:03 am
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Posted on 12/28/25 at 12:00 pm to soonerinlOUisiana
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Irrelevant. Now try actually addressing my question, twstwaffle.
Your posts are on the intellectual and emotional level of a 13-year-old. I am not going to waste any more of my precious time responding to you.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 12:14 pm to 3down10
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And in 1969 it would have been easier to go to the moon than to fake it.
And for that same reason, it was impossible for insiders to stage 9-11. Your conspiracy theory fails the common sense test, except perhaps in the minds of incels whose lives revolve around the internet.
This post was edited on 12/28/25 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 12/28/25 at 12:16 pm to 3down10
After Foo wrote…
You forgot to ask him about how when Yahweh commanded David to conduct a census in 2 Samuel 24, and David did exactly what Yahweh commanded, how it was a sin. The scripture calls it out as a sin. And Yahweh killed 70,000 innocent Israelites to punish David for doing exactly as he commanded.
That’ll get Foo’s panties in a bunch for sure. He’ll probably refuse to answer.
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If God commands a thing, it cannot be sin.
You forgot to ask him about how when Yahweh commanded David to conduct a census in 2 Samuel 24, and David did exactly what Yahweh commanded, how it was a sin. The scripture calls it out as a sin. And Yahweh killed 70,000 innocent Israelites to punish David for doing exactly as he commanded.
That’ll get Foo’s panties in a bunch for sure. He’ll probably refuse to answer.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 12:16 pm to TulsaSooner78
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Your posts are on the intellectual and emotional level of a 13-year-old. I am not going to waste any more of my precious time responding to you.
All I’m asking is for you to provide support for your assertions, which you can’t. You are just like the dumb leftist college kids that get humiliated in Charlie Kirk videos.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 1:23 pm to soonerinlOUisiana
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And for that same reason, it was impossible for considers to stage 9-11. Your conspiracy theory fails the common sense test, except perhaps in the minds of incels whose lives revolve around the internet.
You're very bad at logic.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 1:38 pm to weagle1999
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Ironically the Muslims are more tolerant of Jesus than the Jews.
This is hardly so. Muslims are tolerant of the Jesus of their own making, not the Jesus of the New Testament as worshipped by Christians. Islam has killed thousands of Christians lately because these Christians refuse to deny the Lord.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 1:49 pm to lepdagod
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Is it ironic???… seeing as Jesus is considered a prophet in Islam
Does it really matter?
The religion didn’t form until 600-700 ad. They can add subtract whoever they want lol.
M
Posted on 12/28/25 at 4:44 pm to 3down10
Actually no. The “9-11 was an inside job” people are a bunch of social misfits who live in their parents’ basements, or assisted living residents for whom society no longer has any use.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 10:16 pm to soonerinlOUisiana
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Actually no. The “9-11 was an inside job” people are a bunch of social misfits who live in their parents’ basements, or assisted living residents for whom society no longer has any use.
You need to make up fantasies about people who disagree with you as a means of coping and reassuring yourself.
Common for the collectivist mind as it needs to group people and then assign biased characteristics to the group.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 11:06 pm to 3down10
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You need to make up fantasies about people who disagree with you as a means of coping and reassuring yourself. Common for the collectivist mind as it needs to group people and then assign biased characteristics to the group.
No. I simply haven’t seen a shred of credible evidence to support you frickbrains’ whacko conspiracy theories. All we get is “muh, it’s out there, google it”. You people need to join a gym, or a country club.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:01 am to soonerinlOUisiana
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You people
Can't stop with the collectivism.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 2:33 am to 3down10
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Can't stop with the collectivism.
Well, dumbass kooks who provide no evidence to support their whack job conspiracies do have a collective mentality, and a collective stupidity, so yeah.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 10:24 am to 3down10
quote:That is an application from the teachings of God in the Bible, and since He is the one who created the law, I think it is safe to allow Him to fulfill it.
Ah yes, the "Jesus did it so I don't have to" exception.
The civil and ceremonial laws were applications of the moral law. The moral law is still binding. The civil and ceremonial laws were targeted to the nation state of Israel as a way to separate them from the surrounding nations, provide, governance in the theocracy they held, and point forward to the once-for-all sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
We don’t need a sign pointing the way once we arrive at the destination.
quote:It depends on the war. I didn’t say all actions in war are justified. Biblical principles still apply. Augustine and Aquinas speak well to the concept of “just war theory” if you are interested in that.
Except when it suits you of course, then it matters greatly. Actually do anything yourself - not valid. Going to war and killing millions of civilians - justified.
It sounds like you just disagree with the Bible, though. God allows and even commands war for good reasons.
Do you disagree that war is ever good?
quote:I don’t.
Do you also think Hitler was justified?
quote:Taxes are just taxes. The Bible doesn’t say that paying taxes is ever problematic or sinful in and of itself.
So all taxes are justified under God according to you, even the ones used to kill millions of innocent people and to oppress the people such as Germany during WW2.
What you are conflating is the tax with the use of the tax. All governments are responsible to God for how they govern, and if they use taxes (or tariffs, or license fees, etc) for wicked purposes, God will judge that wickedness. But again, it isn’t the tax collection that is necessarily sinful.
quote:I think there are times when rebellion can occur, but it should be lesser magistrates rebelling against greater magistrates, not citizens seeking to overthrow a government on their own. That’s its own topic.
And we as a people have a duty to never rebel against our governments, always pay taxes and never question them.
Regarding taxes, Jesus didn’t question the amount of taxes owed to the government. He merely looked at the coin, saw whose face was on it, and said to give what belongs to Caesar. In theory, if Caesar asked for all of his own money back, he could do so.
quote:I believe Christians should be active in government. Citizens should vote for godly, Christian leaders, and our government should rule according to biblical/christian principles of justice.
Yeah, bullshite. You get the government you deserve, and people who don't stand up for God and the things that are right will get the terrible governments they deserve.
We all sin sin against a holy God—even you—and we all deserve punishment from Him for our sins, including bad and tyrannical leaders. No one deserves anything good from God, even a good government, which is why we are to give thanks to God for His mercy when He doesn’t give us what we deserve.
quote:I think some elements of it like the civilian-led Boston tea party were sinful, but not all aspects of the Revolutionary War were sinful. If the King was acting tyrannically, it was the duty of the lesser magistrates (colonial governors, etc) to rebel and call the people to arms. This did ultimately happen, which legitimized the Revolution.
I guess the US was founded in sin according to you since they rebelled against their own government and refused to pay those taxes.
Citizens can refuse to obey commands from superiors like governments that would cause them to disobey God, but rebellion against the government should be something led by the government, not the people.
quote:I agree, but I believe there are lawful ways to do that and unlawful ways to do that, in terms of obedience to God.
I would say the opposite, it's our duty to stand up to tyranny.
quote:I now vote only for godly leaders, at least as far as I can discern such.
But you still vote for them and accept them as such. Allowing them to tax you and have all kinds of control in your life.
Our leaders have a lot of control over our lives today. According to God’s word, that isn’t necessarily a sinful thing. We are to submit to government and even to masters if we are slaves, except if we are commanded to sin against God. Up until that point, we are to do as God commands of us, which may include a lack of individual liberty. This life is not our final home, any way.
quote:If the currency belongs to the government, then it isn’t theft to require it back from citizens. At least that is what Jesus taught. If you disagree with Jesus on that, I don’t know what else to tell you other than you need to submit to God.
It's theft. The bible also talks about slavery and those slaves only paid 20%. We are taxed much further in addition to the fractional reserve practices that inflate our money supply and enslave the people via usury.
quote:Government employees and leaders can certainly steal and covet, but you are equating taxation with theft on its face, and you are talking about governance of property as coveting on its own, which it isn’t.
You are taking your neighbors resources and giving it to other people. That is theft, and you are coveting your neighbors property.
Question for you: is any taxation not theft in your opinion?
quote:Those agencies serve administrative functions. You might not like that, but the Bible doesn’t teach that governments cannot do administrative work or law-enforcement.
And once again, the agencies listed in the meme do not help others. Our income tax for example is only used to pay the interest on the fake debt given by the money changers.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 11:56 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:I don’t refuse to answer legitimate and sincere questions. You are a fraud and only care about the destruction of the truth. Your attacks are only sincere in that you sincerely don’t care about the answer to such questions, because when a sufficient answer provided, you are the one who goes silent on the matter and you pivot to the next attack.
You forgot to ask him about how when Yahweh commanded David to conduct a census in 2 Samuel 24, and David did exactly what Yahweh commanded, how it was a sin. The scripture calls it out as a sin. And Yahweh killed 70,000 innocent Israelites to punish David for doing exactly as he commanded.
That’ll get Foo’s panties in a bunch for sure. He’ll probably refuse to answer.
Not for your sake, but for others, I’ll explain to you what your intellectual and academic self failed to investigate on your own.
The paradox is solved by understanding the difference in causes, and understanding God’s sovereignty over His creation.
Just like in the book of Job, God as the first cause used Satan as a secondary cause to incite David to sin. Satan implants the thought to take down God’s chosen seevant, and David in his own hubris carries out the census for his own glory. Back then, a census was done to count what belonged to the king, yet the people of Israel belonged to God, not to David.
David’s census, also was focused on the fighting men, which indicates he was not trusting in God but in the size of his army.
God had previously commanded a temple tax to be collected by everyone included in a census to show that they belonged to God (Ex 30), yet there is no indication that David exacted such a tax. God judged Israel for David’s disobedience and his haughtiness before God.
God did not command David directly, but the passage in 2 Samuel is explaining God’s secret will that sovereignly worked towards punishment for sin. Satan tempted David, David gave in to temptation and sinned. David even acknowledged his sin against God, which he wouldn’t have done if God had commanded David directly.
You are free to stop with your baseless attacks against your creator at any time. You are merely heaping up additional judgment upon yourself with each attack.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:07 pm to soonerinlOUisiana
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Well, dumbass kooks who provide no evidence to support their whack job conspiracies do have a collective mentality, and a collective stupidity, so yeah.
Because I'm not wasting my time on you. If you actually cared about the topic you would research and want to know for yourself.
You're obviously a MSM brainwashed idiot and the only way you will accept anything is if you hear it from the MSM.
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:09 pm to FooManChoo
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That is an application from the teachings of God in the Bible, and since He is the one who created the law, I think it is safe to allow Him to fulfill it.
The civil and ceremonial laws were applications of the moral law. The moral law is still binding. The civil and ceremonial laws were targeted to the nation state of Israel as a way to separate them from the surrounding nations, provide, governance in the theocracy they held, and point forward to the once-for-all sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
We don’t need a sign pointing the way once we arrive at the destination.
Blah blah blah.
Government is what has replaced God. People have rejected God and replaced him with Government.
This post was edited on 12/29/25 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:19 pm to 3down10
quote:No refutation? No debate? I thought you would at least explain why I’m wrong from your infinite knowledge and wisdom granted by your personal interaction with God.
Blah blah blah.
quote:Many have, sure. That’s why I’m attempting to explain the proper role of government and the place of the citizen based on God’s Word rather than mere opinions and preferences.
Government is what has replaced God. People have rejected God and replaced him with Government.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 1:08 pm to 3down10
Ok, so where’s the actual evidence?
Posted on 12/29/25 at 5:39 pm to 3down10
quote:So you admit we need to do something about the Islamic threat. Finally! Was that so hard?
Same can be said of members from any religion
quote:No one is talking about overgeneralization. We are talking about the real threat of people who want to kill us for ideological reasons. They are constantly scheming to kill us and when we don't catch them, they execute their plan to mass murder people. And they are not trying to kill us because we are putting political pressure on them. They hated infidels long, long before we were a country
Am I to judge all Christians based on these actions?
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