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re: The move of Jesus in and amongst Islam is truly a thing to behold these days

Posted on 12/26/25 at 11:36 am to
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
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Posted on 12/26/25 at 11:36 am to
The original Koran said that God had 3 messengers... Moses, Jesus and Mohammed. So, Jews and Christians must convert or pay tax but they must not be murdered. After Mohammed's death the Islamic leaders changed it to being OK to kill Jews and Christians because they were obsessed with conquering the world and the killing was necessary.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 12/26/25 at 11:47 am to
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Those are NOT similar

I think they are.

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But just because some of the legends about Abraham are not true, that doesn’t mean Abraham didn’t exist

True, it is possible there is some original kernel in there. There might be a real dude B-R-H-M who lived in Ur who emigrated to Jerusalem. The tale is ideological though- it was written by exiled Jews who were writing to give legitimacy to their takeover of the government and temple in Jerusalem after Cyrus conquered Babylon and send the exiled Jews back home. Their goal was to establish that proper Jews come from Babylon. That’s around the time they started using the word “Canaanite” as a pejorative towards the Yahwist Jews that hadn’t been exiled. Those “Canaanites” worshiped Yahweh as they did in the first temple period when it was polytheistic and they used idols and images and such. That’s around had to justify their own authority so they could usher in Judaism, which is a blend of the old polytheistic Canaanite religion of El Elyon, Yahweh, Nehushtan, Asherah, Anat, and more, with the dualistic “monotheism” of the Persian religion which is where they got the idea of having one God and his arch nemesis Satan.

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Some people don’t believe Jesus was God, but still think he existed.

And some believe Jesus had always been a mythical character.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
39571 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 11:54 am to
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^calling bullshiit on this.


Because you don't realize who actually carried out that attack.
Posted by lepdagod
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
6105 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 11:55 am to
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Ironically the Muslims are more tolerant of Jesus


Is it ironic???… seeing as Jesus is considered a prophet in Islam
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55605 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 12:20 pm to
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And some believe Jesus had always been a mythical character.

That adds to my point. The mists of time obscure a lot. People say with certainty things that can’t really be known, like

“They can trace their genealogy back to Abraham”
and “Abraham was fictive”.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3704 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 1:00 pm to
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“Abraham was fictive”

Beyond the shadow of a doubt. But not absolute. That’s good enough for me to not have to preface it “the data indicate that most likely…”
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 12/26/25 at 1:12 pm to
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The true Hebrew bloodline jews that's are still found in present day Ethiopia tolerate and love Jesus. The watered down invader colonizers jews in present day Isreal dont. The jews in Ethiopia can also trace their bloodline directly to Abraham. The European jews in Isreal cant.




MIGA!
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 1:14 pm to
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So you got it backwards. The ones you called watered down Jews are more Jew than what you called the “true” Jews. But they all have Jewish ancestry.


Neither are Semites.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55605 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 1:21 pm to
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Beyond the shadow of a doubt. But not absolute.

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Beyond a shadow of a doubt" means something is absolutely certain, without any question or even the slightest trace of uncertainty, emphasizing complete conviction or proof.

AI from google search
Posted by The Baker
This is fine.
Member since Dec 2011
20319 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 1:23 pm to
The twin towers are jesus?
Posted by soonerinlOUisiana
South of I-10
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 12/26/25 at 7:12 pm to
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Because you don't realize who actually carried out that attack.


Oh boy. One of “those”.

SMH.
Posted by CFDoc
Member since Jan 2013
2280 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 7:22 pm to
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They are very tolerant


Um.
Posted by crotiger0307
Utah
Member since Jan 2018
1221 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 7:34 pm to
There is an empty tomb next to Muhammad that’s reserved for the second coming of Jesus.

I didn’t believe it until I read it recently. Jesus is essentially the 2nd highest figure in Islam. The only disconnect is they don’t believe He is the Son of God. They do believe He was born of a virgin and ascended into Heaven.

Crazy the amount of parallels yet how different the 2 religions are in actuality and practice.
This post was edited on 12/26/25 at 7:39 pm
Posted by GeauxBurrow312
Member since Nov 2024
6271 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 7:38 pm to
They believe Jesus will lead an Islamic jihad against Christians.

That’s literally their belief. We are incompatible societies
This post was edited on 12/26/25 at 7:39 pm
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
39571 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 8:04 pm to
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Oh boy. One of “those”.

SMH.


You sound like a complacency theorist. Believes every official narrative without question and gets upset at anyone who points out the bullshite in them.

Posted by GeauxBurrow312
Member since Nov 2024
6271 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 8:17 pm to
On a more important note, how are you feeling about your gumps vs the fighting cignettis
Posted by soonerinlOUisiana
South of I-10
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:23 pm to
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The twin towers are jesus?


That one probably seemed wittier when it was still inside your head.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
39571 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:37 pm to
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On a more important note, how are you feeling about your gumps vs the fighting cignettis


I think it depends on Alabama and if they are focused and ready to play. Indiana is a veteran team that doesn't make mistakes and is very consistent, but also seems to have a bit of a ceiling.

While Alabama has more talent, but has a problem being consistent and not making mistakes. If Alabama can match the consistency and not make mistakes, I think the talent difference will come out in the end.

Alabama should be as healthy as they have been since October, and they are use to playing tough defenses at this point, as every team they've played since Tennessee has basically had a top20 defense, and 4 of them were top 10(OU twice).

And I have a hard time believing Indiana is real. They've played a few good teams, but the majority of their offensive stats has come against lower competition. Against the better defenses, I think their QB has like 6 TDs total and 5 INT.

So who knows, but there is plenty reason to believe Alabama has a chance and 7 points seems extreme. I guess we'll see how much computer metrics hold up because they love Indiana and don't even rate Alabama as a top10 team. I think they have a bubble, so we'll see.


Posted by soonerinlOUisiana
South of I-10
Member since Aug 2012
2071 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 10:06 pm to
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You sound like a complacency theorist. Believes every official narrative without question and gets upset at anyone who points out the bullshite in them.


No. I just have enough common sense to know that if 9-11 were an inside job, the beans would have been spilled long before the event happened.
Posted by PurpleCrush
ATL
Member since May 2014
2430 posts
Posted on 12/26/25 at 10:25 pm to
What does any of it matter anywhere if they don't Act Christian like as those that profess to be?

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