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re: The Mississippi Miracle is complete = MS 4th graders #1 in nation in math and reading

Posted on 8/17/26 at 11:13 am to
Posted by Tiger Pants 318
Member since Jan 2022
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Posted on 8/17/26 at 11:13 am to
Thats the biggest damn 4th grader I've ever seen.
Posted by bmela12
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 8/17/26 at 11:14 am to
Reading, Riting, & Rithmatic?
Posted by Hobie101
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 8/17/26 at 11:28 am to
Any reputable source on this?
Posted by ManBearSharkReb
Member since Dec 2018
7232 posts
Posted on 8/17/26 at 11:31 am to
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Is Millsaps suffering from the location?


My brother went there. It was an excellent school when he went but the ole miss honors college has crushed milsaps along with Jackson becoming and even bigger shite hole.
Posted by Rip Torner
Member since Jul 2023
3251 posts
Posted on 8/17/26 at 11:37 am to
The South for decades was “behind” the Northeast and West Coast in education largely due to funding disparities. They had much larger tax bases and money to spend on facilities or technology that gave them a built in advantage. They squandered that advantage on cultural appropriation and unaffordable pensions for the teachers unions. The South is catching up and any fool can see it. Urban public schools in New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia, DC, Boston, and Baltimore are abysmal
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 8/17/26 at 11:37 am to
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The South for decades was “behind” the Northeast and West Coast in education largely due to funding disparities
Posted by theOG
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 8/17/26 at 11:41 am to
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The Mississippi Miracle is complete = MS 4th graders #1 in nation in math and reading


Number one math and reading score improvement, not overall. Still awesome.
Posted by Rip Torner
Member since Jul 2023
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Posted on 8/17/26 at 11:42 am to
You do understand state and local taxes largely fund education? Clearly you don’t lol
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 8/17/26 at 11:43 am to
Is anyone else very skeptical of these reports ?
This post was edited on 8/17/26 at 11:43 am
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 8/17/26 at 11:44 am to
Is this demographically adjusted or outright #1?
Posted by Rip Torner
Member since Jul 2023
3251 posts
Posted on 8/17/26 at 11:45 am to
Not in the least, Common Core was/is a joke and urban assessment scores have cratered not to mention discipline issues. My wife is a teacher in Alabama, they really been pushing math and reading scores
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/17/26 at 11:49 am to
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Is this demographically adjusted or outright #1?


I'm not going to shite on it, because they obviously are showing some major improvements. But they are tooting their horn a little too loudly and making some proclamations that are not true.

This is demographically adjusted, which is a completely bullshite way to judge reading and math abilities. You can either do math and read or you cannot.

You will notice throughout the article they are sly in their descriptors and put in caveats like "when compared to their peer group" etc.

Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 8/17/26 at 11:49 am to
I don’t doubt that massive improvements have been made, but yeah, I’m a little skeptical
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
36503 posts
Posted on 8/17/26 at 11:53 am to
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I don’t doubt that massive improvements have been made, but yeah, I’m a little skeptical


They could just be honest, and it would still be impressive. But they have to exaggerate and claim they are tops in the country, which isn't true at all. Not even remotely.

The statistical manipulation to make that claim is ridiculous.
Posted by Rip Torner
Member since Jul 2023
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Posted on 8/17/26 at 11:54 am to
And? Oh you’re skeptical, in that case it must be questionable lol
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
61497 posts
Posted on 8/17/26 at 11:55 am to
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You do understand state and local taxes largely fund education? Clearly you don’t lol
funding doesn’t matter
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
10547 posts
Posted on 8/17/26 at 11:56 am to
These are not the same:

Math and Reading scores of all fifty states have been compiled, and the scores of Mississippi top those of every other state for fourth graders.

When comparing Math and Reading scores from all fifty states in 2022 and in 2026, the scores for fourth graders from Mississippi showed the greatest increase over the four-year period. Mississippi still remains in last place compared to the other forty-nine states.

Statistics can be hard.
Posted by j1897
Member since Nov 2011
4932 posts
Posted on 8/17/26 at 11:59 am to
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I love this tweet.


MS is 1st in the nation in reading and math IMPROVEMENT. On a thread about reading, ya'll kinda suck at it.
Posted by Rip Torner
Member since Jul 2023
3251 posts
Posted on 8/17/26 at 12:00 pm to
Seriously?! You don’t think a run down building with old textbooks and technology with poorly paid teachers doesn’t have an impact on who teachers there and which students decide to attend private schools or homeschool instead? It absolutely does
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
20715 posts
Posted on 8/17/26 at 12:05 pm to
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Is anyone else very skeptical of these reports ?



I get it. I'm here and I work in education. I was a fiery proponent of passing this law in 2013, which was widely unpopular on both sides.

The improvement is real. The speed of the improvement was aided by the decline of other states during COVID. We felt like within 20-30 years we would see the improvement that we saw in 10. This is year 13, so the no one is in a K-12 school that has ever taught anything else.

Its phonics-based reading. Reading is the foundation for everything else. Someone in the 90s convinced states to lean on sight words to teach kids to read because it seemed like kids were learning faster. Turns out they were just memorizing the sight words, no different than looking at a picture of a cat and saying cat.

But when you force kids to put together ka- and -at, it teaches them to put together other sounds to make words.

We call it the Mississippi Miracle, but its really a return to how things were taught pre 1990.
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