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re: The Metro Council declared war on the unincorporated area tonight
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:05 am to LSURussian
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:05 am to LSURussian
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I have not read a single post on this board where someone has stated if they get the required signatures on their petition SG residents should not be allowed to vote on it.
I was challenging you on this point. And, I'm suggesting it is dishonest for the reasons I mentioned.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:09 am to doubleb
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Good take sir, I think the city thing has taken the emphasis away from the school situation.
And I think Rainey/White have become issues instead of the merits of the city and the school ISD.
The problem is...how do you get rid of a volunteer? I don't know him personally, but this Norm Browning seems like a good guy. Maybe he can step up? Maybe Reps Greene, Hunter, Ponti or Foil should step up and take Bodi White's place as the elected official pushing this?
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:10 am to moneyg
quote:My reply wasn't to your post.
I was challenging you on this point
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:12 am to Mickey Goldmill
quote:Not true. All sales taxes are paid to the Parish and City Treasurer according to the Sales and Use Tax Report. LINK And the distribution of sales tax revenue can be seen here. LINK The change from the recent annexations is that the Parish government loses 2% of sales tax revenue and the City of Baton Rouge government gains 2% of sales from the annexed properties. If those properties had been incorporated into St. George then St. George would have been entitled to the 2% of sales. In all cases the Parish gets 3% of the sales for schools, roads and sewers.
If the Mall of Louisiana is incorporated into St. George, the local sales taxes go ONLY to the St. George city limits.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:13 am to Mickey Goldmill
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So you totally skipped over the fact that Rainey and company blatantly lied to the entire city and parish about the effects of the annexation? Then immediately after the vote, decided to tell the truth? That doesn't matter at all to you?
It's minimal as compared to the opposition that they have been facing.
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These are the people organizing this proposed city and they've already started lying to the public. You're ok with that?
I am not outraged because there is nothing to be outraged about. I recognize that political leaders will stretch the truth. And, while I don't like it, I recognize that their opposition does the exact same thing. The opposition has been labeling the effort as racist. You're ok with that? Which was the bigger lie?
Who in St. George was harmed by this outrageous lie that Rainey told? How were they harmed?
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:16 am to LSURussian
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My reply wasn't to your post.
I recognize that.
It doesn't make your post any less dishonest.
My point is that there has been a very coordinated effort to prevent St. George from voting on this incorporation. Do you disagree with that?
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:20 am to moneyg
You can keep attempting to bastardize my reply to novabill all you want, but it won't work.
He accused other posters of wanting to deny SG residents the right to vote on incorporation if they got the required number of signatures. I asked him to support his accusation by providing a link.
He accused other posters of wanting to deny SG residents the right to vote on incorporation if they got the required number of signatures. I asked him to support his accusation by providing a link.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:23 am to LSURussian
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You can keep attempting to bastardize my reply to novabill all you want, but it won't work.
He accused other posters of wanting to deny SG residents the right to vote on incorporation if they got the required number of signatures. I asked him to support his accusation by providing a link.
I really don't feel like going in circles.
Do you agree with this:
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My point is that there has been a very coordinated effort to prevent St. George from voting on this incorporation.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:25 am to moneyg
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Who in St. George was harmed by this outrageous lie that Rainey told? How were they harmed?
Is that your standard for when telling the truth vs. lying is only important now?
Why are SG leaders having to lie? Is that not a significant issue here?
Regarding Rainey's lies about the petition being invalid but then admitting he lied about it, I'd be pretty pissed if I was one of the SG residents who spoke at the public hearing yesterday whose main argument to the council was the annexation would invalidate the petition only to learn minutes latter I should not have trusted the SG leaders' word on that.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:37 am to Poodlebrain
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Not true. All sales taxes are paid to the Parish and City Treasurer according to the Sales and Use Tax Report. LINK And the distribution of sales tax revenue can be seen here. LINK The change from the recent annexations is that the Parish government loses 2% of sales tax revenue and the City of Baton Rouge government gains 2% of sales from the annexed properties. If those properties had been incorporated into St. George then St. George would have been entitled to the 2% of sales. In all cases the Parish gets 3% of the sales for schools, roads and sewers.
When I said local sales tax, I meant the 2% that goes to the parish general fund. If SG gets their own Schools, the parish would also lose that 2% school portion as well.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:41 am to LSURussian
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Regarding Rainey's lies about the petition being invalid but then admitting he lied about it, I'd be pretty pissed if I was one of the SG residents who spoke at the public hearing yesterday whose main argument to the council was the annexation would invalidate the petition only to learn minutes latter I should not have trusted the SG leaders' word on that.
Exactly this. SG people should be outraged at the lies they are getting fed.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:46 am to LSURussian
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Is that your standard for when telling the truth vs. lying is only important now?
No. The standard is that when you are confronted with an opposition who has lied about your efforts, tried to change laws along the way to hamper your efforts etc., I don't think a little "lie" in an attempt to get the metro council to slow down is a crazy event. The only thing that is crazy is for people to highlight this without acknowledging that the opposition has done much worse.
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Regarding Rainey's lies about the petition being invalid but then admitting he lied about it
Can you submit a link/quote that shows he admitted to lying? You keep saying he admitted it. I'm assuming you've seen something that I haven't. The quotes I've seen didn't indicate that he admitted to lying.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:48 am to BigJim
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The problem is...how do you get rid of a volunteer? I don't know him personally, but this Norm Browning seems like a good guy. Maybe he can step up? Maybe Reps Greene, Hunter, Ponti or Foil should step up and take Bodi White's place as the elected official pushing this?
I am not involved in the inner workings of the committee, but like from the outside looking in you can see defects in their presentation and in their strategy.
But remember, the grassroots of SG are not politicians; yet they are being opposed by politicians who are supported by tax dollars.
Kip has a spokesperson, researchers, assistants on the public payroll to do his work. They are networked via groups like the LMA. They talk to legislators on a regular basis to get things passed. They have the backing of large money people downtown.
There is no doubt these people have made mistakes, but comparing their efforts to the efforts of the city of BR isn't fair; but as you and I know it is what it is and it isn't going to change. It has to be overcome.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:50 am to doubleb
quote:And they are being supported by politicians who are paid with tax dollars.
they are being opposed by politicians who are supported by tax dollars.
quote:Are you back on your "Powerful Forces" campaign again?
They have the backing of large money people downtown.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:51 am to Mickey Goldmill
quote:That is a second hypothetical that you did not specify in your prior post. If St. George established a separate school district it would make sense that such a school district would get the 2% tax on sales since the school district would be replacing the EBRPSS for the incorporated area. This would be an issue of a St. George school district did not cover the same territory as the area incorporated. If the areas covered are the same, then it shouldn't be an issue.
If SG gets their own Schools, the parish would also lose that 2% school portion as well.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:51 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Exactly this. SG people should be outraged at the lies they are getting fed.
I think SG people are well capable of recognizing what is really going on here.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:55 am to Poodlebrain
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That is a second hypothetical that you did not specify in your prior post. If St. George established a separate school district it would make sense that such a school district would get the 2% tax on sales since the school district would be replacing the EBRPSS for the incorporated area. This would be an issue of a St. George school district did not cover the same territory as the area incorporated. If the areas covered are the same, then it shouldn't be an issue.
Correct.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 9:56 am to moneyg
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Can you submit a link/quote that shows he admitted to lying? You keep saying he admitted it. I'm assuming you've seen something that I haven't. The quotes I've seen didn't indicate that he admitted to lying.
He said one thing for two weeks. Immediately after the vote, literally within minutes after the vote, he said the opposite. That is admitting he lied. You won't agree but that doesn't change the fact that he told the world he had been lying all along.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 10:03 am to moneyg
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I think SG people are well capable of recognizing what is really going on here.
Show me where the Better Together group has lied. Show me where the Metro Council has blatantly lied.
The only thing that has been over board is the one Facebook post by Delgado. Other than that, they have not lied like Rainey has.
I don't know why you think the annexation yesterday was done to stop the petition. The only side to say that would happen was Rainey. Then he said it wouldn't. Why are you listening to this nonsense still?
Posted on 5/15/14 at 10:08 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Show me where the Better Together group has lied
The proposal to incorporate a new city in southeast East Baton Rouge Parish would:
– Remove $85 million in tax revenue from East Baton Rouge Parish.
– Create an annual city-parish budget deficit of $53 million (20% of the entire budget).
– Result in tax increases and/or service cuts for ALL residents of East Baton Rouge Parish, including southeast residents, to make up for revenue losses and create duplicate municipal services.
– Pose a threat to the economic stability of the metro region.
– Increase distrust and division across our community.
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