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re: The Metro Council declared war on the unincorporated area tonight
Posted on 5/15/14 at 1:33 am to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 5/15/14 at 1:33 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Village St. George has always been the area south of Seigan/Perkins near Highland. The leaders of the incorporation don't have a legit claim that their tax dollars are being spent inside the city instead on themselves when they include areas like the Mall of Louisiana. That's total nonsense.
That's your argument?
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Posted on 5/15/14 at 1:36 am to moneyg
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You made the claim that the annexation of mall "keeps that revenue flowing to the entire parish". And you justified that by saying that the majority of sales tax collected in incorporated Baton Rouge goes to the general parish fund.
As I've explained several times, specific appropriations in the budget can change every year. There isn't some magic dollar figure to give you. The City/Parish has one single budget. The sales taxes collected right now at the mall contributes to that budget. If SG takes the mall, the City/Parish no longer gets those taxes. That causes a budget deficit for the entire parish government.
Again, if you want to sift through 181 pages of budget documents and see exactly where every dollar is collected and spent, be my guest. The point is, the allocations can change every year.
If SG isn't happy with how their money is spent, elect better councilmen.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 1:42 am to Mickey Goldmill
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The sales taxes collected right now at the mall contributes to that budget. If SG takes the mall, the City/Parish no longer gets those taxes. That causes a budget deficit for the entire parish government.
Everyone understand this.
You said this:
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Keeping the MoL in the Baton Rouge City Limits keeps that revenue flowing to the ENTIRE PARISH rather than just for a small made up "community". SG people will still receive tax dollars from the MoL even after the annexation goes through.
I'm questioning whether or not "SG people will still receive tax dollars" like you said when there is a net cash flow from the parish fund to the city fund.
You seemed to support your claim by saying that the majority of sales taxes collected within the city limit ended in the general parish fund.
That was your assertion. Either you can justify it, or you simply made it up. Which is it?
Posted on 5/15/14 at 1:48 am to Mickey Goldmill
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If SG isn't happy with how their money is spent, elect better councilmen.
That's an option...although, as you know, there are other more important issues in play.
Also, how many council districts have a majority of voters within the St. George area?
Regardless, St. George may decide that it's best path is to incorporate...which is also an option regardless of what you think it should do.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 1:52 am to moneyg
First off I never said the majority of sales taxes coming solely from the city limits ends up in the general fund. I said majority of taxes, including unincorporated.
I explained already that the allocations change every year. Your "net revenue" claim is a joke since it includes the mall and it can be changed any year when the budget is debated. Apparently the SG leaders didn't care when they were voting on the budget.
Let's not forget the agreements that the BRPD and BRFD have serving the unincorporated areas without getting those tax dollars.
I explained already that the allocations change every year. Your "net revenue" claim is a joke since it includes the mall and it can be changed any year when the budget is debated. Apparently the SG leaders didn't care when they were voting on the budget.
Let's not forget the agreements that the BRPD and BRFD have serving the unincorporated areas without getting those tax dollars.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 1:54 am to moneyg
I have never once said they shouldn't be able to vote on incorporation. I think it harms the entire parish, for budget reasons that I've already covered. But they have the right to vote.
The only people saying they right to vote was in jeopardy were the lying SG leaders who, after the annexation vote, decided that it wouldn't hurt their petition.
The only people saying they right to vote was in jeopardy were the lying SG leaders who, after the annexation vote, decided that it wouldn't hurt their petition.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 1:59 am to Mickey Goldmill
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First off I never said the majority of sales taxes coming solely from the city limits ends up in the general fund. I said majority of taxes, including unincorporated.
Hmmm
Me:
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I assumed the sales taxes collected in incorporated Baton Rouge were kept separate from the sales taxes collected in unincorporated EBRP...
You (in response to my post above):
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The accounting done for the city-parish does keep it separate but most of the taxes go into the city/parish general fund.
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I explained already that the allocations change every year.
What year were you talking about when you claimed that most of the sales tax revenues were going to the general fund?
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Your "net revenue" claim is a joke since it includes the mall and it can be changed any year when the budget is debated.
Can you point to the most recent year in which the revenue flowed the other way. I'd like to know. How long has it been?
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Apparently the SG leaders didn't care when they were voting on the budget.
How many districts have a majority of voters in the St. George area?
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Let's not forget the agreements that the BRPD and BRFD have serving the unincorporated areas without getting those tax dollars.
Can you quantify that at all? Or, should I just take your word that there is no overall issue.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 2:07 am to moneyg
If I wanted to spend the hours, yes I could quantify it. Again, I didn't say city limits. Your quote of me proves that lol.
Since nearly every major retail development has been in the unincorporated part of the parish, I think it's pretty easy to understand why more revenue is collected from there than the city limits.
Again, what is your point? Is it that the family of 4 living in SG is watching all the tax dollars spent at the mall go back to the city only? Before the Mall, the flow was the opposite direction btw.
$300 million has been spent on roads in SG from the parish wide green light plan. That's just one example of a parish wide tax base helping SG.
Money is being spent in SG. You act as if they get nothing at all from their taxes.
Since nearly every major retail development has been in the unincorporated part of the parish, I think it's pretty easy to understand why more revenue is collected from there than the city limits.
Again, what is your point? Is it that the family of 4 living in SG is watching all the tax dollars spent at the mall go back to the city only? Before the Mall, the flow was the opposite direction btw.
$300 million has been spent on roads in SG from the parish wide green light plan. That's just one example of a parish wide tax base helping SG.
Money is being spent in SG. You act as if they get nothing at all from their taxes.
This post was edited on 5/15/14 at 2:09 am
Posted on 5/15/14 at 6:17 am to Kramer26
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This post was edited on 5/15/14 at 6:20 am
Posted on 5/15/14 at 6:19 am to Kramer26
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CBR strong CSG to toilet
Posted on 5/15/14 at 6:19 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Again, I didn't say city limits. Your quote of me proves that lol.
You were responding to a question about the sales tax that will eventually be collected from the newly incorporated mall. Your statement was that SG will still receive tax dollars from that.
My entire response was asking you to explain that given that the net revenue flow seems to go from parish to city...to the tune of 50M+.
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Again, what is your point? Is it that the family of 4 living in SG is watching all the tax dollars spent at the mall go back to the city only? Before the Mall, the flow was the opposite direction btw.
$300 million has been spent on roads in SG from the parish wide green light plan. That's just one example of a parish wide tax base helping SG.
Money is being spent in SG. You act as if they get nothing at all from their taxes.
I'm not questioning whether or not they are getting NOTHING. I'm questioning whether or not the people of SG are getting an equal return compared to the tax base.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 6:35 am to ASTL
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It is almost criminal that many people within Baton Rouge have to send their kids to private schools that are expensive as well as pay taxes to fund public schools that are shitty.
nothing i like more then supporting a ton of other people's kids who don't give a shite about trying to improve themselves
Posted on 5/15/14 at 7:01 am to Kramer26
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If they think the push to incorporate St. George was ended tonight they are dead wrong. It's not over, the battle has just begun. Go St. George!
Posted on 5/15/14 at 7:14 am to theBeard
Sometimes the discussion forgets the reason for the breakaway attempt. The schools.
I spent yesterday morning with 2 women who have taught or subbed in the EBRPSS in the High Schools.
One also attended BRMHS.
They described classrooms that were nothing more than holding pens of controlled anarchy,and most administrations that were either ineffective and inept, or merely biding their time until retirement kicked in.
The product of BRMHS had a coach for a Math teacher. And his MO was, participate/support my sport, and you'll get an "A".
If the St George incorporation fails, you will continue to see flight into other Parishes, and the Public School System will continue its decline. Those who can afford to remain, and have their children in Private Schools, will hardly be sympathetic when it comes time to re-new or vote for taxes unless it's of direct benefit to them.
The losers in all of this are the poor kids, stuck in the mediocrity that is known as the EBRP Public School System.
I spent yesterday morning with 2 women who have taught or subbed in the EBRPSS in the High Schools.
One also attended BRMHS.
They described classrooms that were nothing more than holding pens of controlled anarchy,and most administrations that were either ineffective and inept, or merely biding their time until retirement kicked in.
The product of BRMHS had a coach for a Math teacher. And his MO was, participate/support my sport, and you'll get an "A".
If the St George incorporation fails, you will continue to see flight into other Parishes, and the Public School System will continue its decline. Those who can afford to remain, and have their children in Private Schools, will hardly be sympathetic when it comes time to re-new or vote for taxes unless it's of direct benefit to them.
The losers in all of this are the poor kids, stuck in the mediocrity that is known as the EBRP Public School System.
This post was edited on 5/15/14 at 7:30 am
Posted on 5/15/14 at 7:22 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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How in the Hell is any of this the Boomers' fault? Some of you people are simply pathetic.
Boomers built it, boomers abandoned BR, boomers moved there, boomers once called it Baton Rouge, and referred to it as growth instead of relocation, now boomers look back at their disposable city and want to call part of that city they referred to as BR, as. St. George.
Yep.. Boomers. The mentality started the whole mess.
It's not a personal thing with individuals, but it is a pattern created in a failed generational idea of disposable cities, steroid growth economies and mounding debt, all of which we are all facing the consequences of today and all of which cannot be sustained by present or future generations.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 7:27 am to Mike da Tigah
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Boomers built it, boomers abandoned BR, boomers moved there, boomers once called it Baton Rouge, and referred to it as growth instead of relocation, now boomers look back at their disposable city and want to call part of that city they referred to as BR, as. St. George.
And if Boomers have "abandoned" BR, one of the main reasons is due to the terrible Public School System.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 7:29 am to redandright
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And if Boomers have "abandoned" BR, one of the main reasons is due to the terrible Public School System.
Boomers...
Posted on 5/15/14 at 7:29 am to redandright
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terrible Public School System.
Bang this point over and over like a drum.
Most of these "together better forever whatever" people probably aren't having to pay out the butt to send three kids to private schools.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 7:31 am to theunknownknight
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Most of these "together better forever whatever" people probably aren't having to pay out the butt to send three kids to private schools.
One family down the street did. Their kids went to the LSU Lab School, one of the most exclusive schools in the Parish.
But they're good little Liberals, so it's their intentions that count, right?
Posted on 5/15/14 at 7:33 am to Mike da Tigah
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Boomers...
Que?
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