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re: The Metro Council declared war on the unincorporated area tonight
Posted on 5/15/14 at 10:51 am to LSUWrangler
Posted on 5/15/14 at 10:51 am to LSUWrangler
So the head of BRGH said Kip approached him?? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
People on this board would have you believe that the BRGH, GGP and the others all rushed to city hall to get in BR before Armageddon struck.
People aren't stupid, they knew this was going on, this is simply proof of what we suspected.
People on this board would have you believe that the BRGH, GGP and the others all rushed to city hall to get in BR before Armageddon struck.
People aren't stupid, they knew this was going on, this is simply proof of what we suspected.
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Posted on 5/15/14 at 10:54 am to SpqrTiger
Very well stated sir.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 10:54 am to moneyg
You're lying if you claim to believe that one of the motivations for the school breakaway effort and the SG incorporation effort is not racial.
It's been evident even by posts on this board.
It's been evident even by posts on this board.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 10:56 am to LSURussian
If a small portion of the people view it that way does it make it racist for the whole? Does the black man beating a white family in north Baton Rouge because they are white mean that north Baton Rouge doesn't want white people around?
Posted on 5/15/14 at 10:57 am to BigJim
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The Metro Council declared war on the unincorporated area tonightquote:It makes zero sense. There are 230K in BR City and 445K in EBR. That's a 52%/48% split between BR and non-BR. There is absolutely no reason for a consolidated Parish-City Government. Honestly, this is what the SG people should be fighting. Huh? How does the population split matter? The benefits of a consolidated government are increased coordination (particularly for land use, transportation and economic development) and reducing cost through elimination of duplicate government offices/employees.
In fact much of the consolidation of parish services would remain intact if SG becomes a city.
Parks, Library, Sewer, Sheriff, assessor, etc. will all stay the same.
Services which are done piecemeal should stay the same unless they destroy SGFD's tax base, and BRFD, and BRPD get seriously cut.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 10:59 am to GreenTrout
quote:Do you have supportive data that it's a "small portion of the people"?
If a small portion of the people view it that way
Posted on 5/15/14 at 10:59 am to SpqrTiger
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Mickey, you keep hammering this drum, asking why we St. Georgians aren't upset about Rainey changing his position last night after the board meeting. There are very few of us who care about Rainey and his personal integrity. That might seem shocking to you, but I doubt you could find that many people in St. George who even know who Rainey is. His integrity isn't going to derail the effort. St. George's incorporation or failure to incorporate doesn't hinge on his personal qualities as a leader
It already has.
...you just don't know it yet.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:00 am to BigJim
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Huh? How does the population split matter?
Really? Having a consolidated government with this type of split is virtually unheard of. Consolidated governments occur when the VAST majority of the population lives within city limits.
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The benefits of a consolidated government are increased coordination (particularly for land use, transportation and economic development) and reducing cost through elimination of duplicate government offices/employees.
Which is fine when you a very small number of people living outside the city limits. This is no longer the case in EBR.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:01 am to LSURussian
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You're lying if you claim to believe that one of the motivations for the school breakaway effort and the SG incorporation effort is not racial
I haven't seen where any of the SG leaders are racially motivated, but it would be ludicrous to say that some in SG aren't racists.
But couldn't you say the same about people in the city of BR. Do you believe that if large suburban neighborhoods petitioned to come into BR that black opposition would rise up and call this a ploy to overcome the numerical superiority that blacks presently have in the city? I know they would.
But that's the society we live in, and it's not going to change.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:03 am to LSURussian
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Do you have supportive data that it's a "small portion of the people"?
Do you have data that its a significant portion?
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:05 am to LSURussian
Do you have any data to say it isn't?
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:05 am to Antonio Moss
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:06 am to SpqrTiger
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None of us are looking at Rainey like Moses, leading us to the promised land. The issues alone are strong enough to get the required signatures for the ballot.
You are missing the fact that Rainey and his people are organizing the whole thing. The petition was crafted based on their direction. And depending on the Secretary of State's decision on the petition validity, Rainey and company could have screwed the entire process.
Not to mention they are going to line up to be the first to reward themselves if incorporation happens.
His integrity and incompetence should matter when he influences the masses. Dozens of residents from SG argued at the council yesterday based on lies from Rainey. We've argued for two weeks on here based on lies from Rainey.
Like him or not, he's the voice of the movement and he's creating confusion and spreading false anger.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:07 am to Antonio Moss
quote:Show me where I've said it is a significant portion.
Do you have data that its a significant portion?
We can round and round in circles like this all day. Your turn.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:08 am to GreenTrout
quote:You made the claim. Now you support your claim.
Do you have any data to say it isn't?
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:08 am to Antonio Moss
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Really? Having a consolidated government with this type of split is virtually unheard of. Consolidated governments occur when the VAST majority of the population lives within city limits.
I am not sure that is true. Consolidated governments are relatively rare and often they are accomplished by just annexing everything. I don't think there are a lot of consolidated governments that compare easily to Baton Rouge.
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Which is fine when you a very small number of people living outside the city limits. This is no longer the case in EBR
Well that is basically a restatement of your position. Why is it only fine when there is an imbalance in population?
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:10 am to BigJim
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Why is it only fine when there is an imbalance in population?
Because you get an imbalance of spending and duplication of services between incorporated and non-incorporated. Boston went through a similar thing at the end of the 1990s.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:14 am to LSURussian
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You're lying if you claim to believe that one of the motivations for the school breakaway effort and the SG incorporation effort is not racial.
You claimed that the SG movement is racist. I countered saying that if a small group of people do something racist does this make a larger group racist? Neither of us can prove the percent of people who signed, or oppose the movement, based on racism.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:15 am to LSURussian
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You're lying if you claim to believe that one of the motivations for the school breakaway effort and the SG incorporation effort is not racial.
It's been evident even by posts on this board.
I don't know why I'm surprised that you are doubling down on the racism claims. It's a blatant lie. And, it is despicable.
BTW, the most racist statments I've seen on this board were by St. George opponents who referred to the black population of Baton Rouge as "the plague".
Posted on 5/15/14 at 11:22 am to Mickey Goldmill
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You are missing the fact that Rainey and his people are organizing the whole thing. The petition was crafted based on their direction. And depending on the Secretary of State's decision on the petition validity, Rainey and company could have screwed the entire process.
Not to mention they are going to line up to be the first to reward themselves if incorporation happens.
His integrity and incompetence should matter when he influences the masses. Dozens of residents from SG argued at the council yesterday based on lies from Rainey. We've argued for two weeks on here based on lies from Rainey.
Like him or not, he's the voice of the movement and he's creating confusion and spreading false anger.
This post is priceless. The poster from St. George just typed up a very succinct and clear message that explained why Rainey isn't driving the effort AT ALL. He explains that the core issues are driving the effort, and that Rainey (for better or for worse) is really meaningless.
And, Mickey proceeds to explain to him that he's wrong and that he is in fact following Rainey and that he doesn't get it.
Mickey needs to believe that St. George residents blindly follow Rainey. Because, he can't argue the actual core issues.
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