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re: The level of naivety regarding the Iranian conflict is disturbing
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:46 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:46 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Barbary pirates
Which Islamic Acts of terror against US citizens occurred prior to 1953?
USMC - 1, Muzzies- 0
(at that time)
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 6:48 am
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:48 am to I20goon
quote:
Barbary pirates
Your white flag is noted. Piracy =/= terrorism.
US intervention occurred fist. Confirmed.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:56 am to somethingdifferent
Hey idiot, we have Democrats that get elected to the highest office in the land that want to destroy us (talking about conservatives and conservative adjacent).
We have several countries around the world, including China and Russia, rooting for our demise.
So what’s your fricking point? People hate us. Boo hoo. Do you go around and punch every person in the face that hates you?
Your argument is juvenile and asinine. How old are you? Beginning to think you were born around or after 2003.
We have several countries around the world, including China and Russia, rooting for our demise.
So what’s your fricking point? People hate us. Boo hoo. Do you go around and punch every person in the face that hates you?
Your argument is juvenile and asinine. How old are you? Beginning to think you were born around or after 2003.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:56 am to somethingdifferent
Whatever happens, even if it turns into a full scale war, it will only be a fraction of the amount of Americans that die every year due to China and the cartels flooding our streets wtuh Fentanyl. Over 1 million American deaths per year. More people die EVERY YEAR than all of our conflicts we’ve ever been in combined (minus the Civil War), and people want to grandstand on here as if they have all the facts and know what’s going on behind the scenes.
The Democrats on this board have killed more Americana every year with their Biden/Kamala votes and aren’t serious people. They dont care about Americans, that’s obvious with the riots and all the other shite that pits America last.
I dont support invading Iran, but I do support eliminating all opportunity for them to have a nuclear bomb. That doesnt mean thousands of troops have to go in.
And id you pussies are adamant on no conflict, how do you propose handling China with Taiwan? That is the sleeping giant and it’s coming.
Iran doesnt mean shite, UNLESS they have a nuke. Make sure that never happens.
Russia/Ukraine doesnt mean shite.
China is our threat. China is the actively maneuvering in broad daylight for a hot war and are actively killing millions of Americans and we are just watching it happen.
The Democrats on this board have killed more Americana every year with their Biden/Kamala votes and aren’t serious people. They dont care about Americans, that’s obvious with the riots and all the other shite that pits America last.
I dont support invading Iran, but I do support eliminating all opportunity for them to have a nuclear bomb. That doesnt mean thousands of troops have to go in.
And id you pussies are adamant on no conflict, how do you propose handling China with Taiwan? That is the sleeping giant and it’s coming.
Iran doesnt mean shite, UNLESS they have a nuke. Make sure that never happens.
Russia/Ukraine doesnt mean shite.
China is our threat. China is the actively maneuvering in broad daylight for a hot war and are actively killing millions of Americans and we are just watching it happen.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:04 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:you are imagining things again. Did MAGA touch you inappropriately again?
Your white flag is noted. Piracy =/= terrorism.
US intervention occurred fist. Confirmed.
That wasn't a white flag, it was my hanky wiping your salty tears of TDS away.
Tell the Somali's that piracy =/= terrorism.
And in fact, the Barbary pirates were stateless actors but sponsored by muslim kingdoms/prefectures used to exact tribute to those states, not to the corsairs directly. That makes them terrorists because their state sponsor benefitted directly.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:08 am to I20goon
quote:
you are imagining things again. Did MAGA touch you inappropriately again?
That wasn't a white flag, it was my hanky wiping your salty tears of TDS away.
I asked a question. You failed to answer it with a response.
quote:
Tell the Somali's that piracy =/= terrorism.
It's an illegal economic-based activity. It's not a political-based activity. Terrorism has a bunch of definitions but pretty much all of them require some ideology or political nexus. Piracy is economic in nature and neither ideological nor political.
quote:
And in fact, the Barbary pirates were stateless actors but sponsored by muslim kingdoms/prefectures used to exact tribute to those states, not to the corsairs directly. That makes them terrorists because their state sponsor benefitted directly.
Again, economic in nature. Not terrorism. They weren't robbing ships for Allah or to protest some ideological variable. It was for money
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:14 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
I asked a question. You failed to answer it with a response.
quote:yeah, counselor- that is not a question. Don't be a dullard.
Your white flag is noted. Piracy =/= terrorism.
US intervention occurred fist. Confirmed.
If you had asked a question, which you didn't, I gave you an answer:
quote:
And in fact, the Barbary pirates were stateless actors but sponsored by muslim kingdoms/prefectures used to exact tribute to those states, not to the corsairs directly. That makes them terrorists because their state sponsor benefitted directly.
So your position is if Hamas takes a hostage and demands ransom or release of Hamas prisoners as non-monetary compensation that is piracy, not terrorism? You really are ate up aren't you.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:15 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:MAGA wanted us to bail on Ukraine completely
Oh yeah tons of MAGA-aligned people were, "cheering on the Ukraine-Russia war for three years now"
I agreed with them
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:19 am to I20goon
quote:Ok, done
Tell the Somali's that piracy =/= terrorism.
They replied they already knew that, and that not everything that involves the threat of violence is terrorism.
They also want me to stop bothering them with dumb internet posters dumb internet posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:22 am to I20goon
quote:
yeah, counselor- that is not a question. Don't be a dullard.
this was the question
quote:
Which Islamic Acts of terror against US citizens occurred prior to 1953?
quote:
If you had asked a question, which you didn't, I gave you an answer:
quote:
Which Islamic Acts of terror against US citizens occurred prior to 1953?
quote:
So your position is if Hamas takes a hostage and demands ransom or release of Hamas prisoners as non-monetary compensation that is piracy, not terrorism?
Ransom to fund terrorism would be terrorism by proxy. Not something that's in play for the barbary pirates.
Release of terror-based political actors is terrorism by proxy. Not something that's in play for the barbary pirates.
If there was some splinter version of Hamas that rejected the terrorism angle entirely and went legit and THEN engaged in piracy strictly for money? You'd have something, but that doesn't exist, as association with Hamas all but requires the underlying factors establishing terror-based policies.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:27 am to Bwmdx
quote:piracy =/= terrorism
Well, how far back do you want to go? The Barbary pirates were predominately Muslim
the Barbary pirates didn’t give a damn about the religious or ideological beliefs of the ships they ransacked, only the amount loot they could plunder in the process
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 9:30 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:29 am to FearlessFreep
quote:
the Barbary pirates didn’t give a damn about the religious or ideological beliefs of the ships they ransacked, only the amount loot they could plunder in the process
Correct. It's flailing at its pinnacle, but oh so funny to watch
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:29 am to somethingdifferent
If the media were against going to war with Iran the polling and opinions of the vast majority on this would be broadcast every hour and marches for peace would be everywhere.
But that us not the case.
Should give anyone pause on this issue.
But that us not the case.
Should give anyone pause on this issue.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:45 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:So...
Ransom to fund terrorism would be terrorism by proxy. Not something that's in play for the barbary pirates.
Release of terror-based political actors is terrorism by proxy. Not something that's in play for the barbary pirates.
If there was some splinter version of Hamas that rejected the terrorism angle entirely and went legit and THEN engaged in piracy strictly for money? You'd have something, but that doesn't exist, as association with Hamas all but requires the underlying factors establishing terror-based policies.
2005, Iraq, Convoy comes under attack by milita. APC taken out by IED. KBR contractor gets captured. Militia sells him to AQ leader for a hostage.
- that's piracy or terrorism?
1790, off coast of Tripoli, a corsair attacks an an American cargo ship. Cannon takes out ship. Crew member gets captured. Corsair captain sells him to bey of Tripoli.
- that's piracy terrorism?
1974, N Ireland, IRA blows up a Black and Tan patrol with car bomb supported by "boot snipers".
- freedom fighters or terrorist?
quote:which I did give you an answer. You stated that I did not. No, either you are one of the dullards you rail against and can not read or you simply did not like the answer and therefore decided to ignore it. But it was indeed a reply.
Which Islamic Acts of terror against US citizens occurred prior to 1953?
So which is it? Are you one of the dullards who can't read you rail on in an act of message board self-loathing or did you intentionally pretend not to see to see my reply so you can claim you didn't get an answer in an effort to avoid having to potentially take an actual position?
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 7:54 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:52 am to I20goon
Is it that hard to grasp that a terrorist could engage in individual acts of piracy? A terrorist could also shoplift. Does that make shoplifters terrorists?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:54 am to shinerfan
quote:Is it that hard to grasp they are the same in many instances?
Is it that hard to grasp that a terrorist could engage in individual acts of piracy? A terrorist could also shoplift. Does that make shoplifters terrorists?
Terrorist can't exist without funding.
In the case of Hezbollah it is on behalf of a state, Iran.
In the case of Barbary pirates it was on behalf of a state, Tripoli, Morocco, etc.
In the case of your shoplifter, no state. Not terrorism.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 7:58 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:58 am to I20goon
quote:
Is it that hard to grasp they are the same in many instances?
They are not at all the same. Terrorism, by definition, is done in the name of a political, idealogical, or religious goal.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 8:06 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:01 am to I20goon
quote:
which I did give you an answer.
A bad one. Hence the white flag designation.
quote:
Are you one of the dullards who can't read
No it got a white flag designation for its quality. That required reading.
quote:
did you intentionally pretend not to see to see my reply so you can claim you didn't get an answer in an effort to avoid having to potentially take an actual position?
You didn't give an actual example of Islamic Acts of terror against US citizens prior to 1953.
Again, hence the designation of a white flag for your post.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:08 am to shinerfan
quote:correct.
They are not at all the same. Terrorism, by definition, is done in the name of a political, ideal9gical, or religious goal.
The presence of 'a state' introduces the political. By definition.
Yes, we're talking about labels. But in both of Hezbollah and Barbary pirates, there was violence in support of a state (which means for political ends).
In fact the use of 'pirate' label versus 'corsairs' is debated by historians. Many state the use of the label 'pirate' is a misapplication BECAUSE it is well known they were in support of a state. Doesn't change the facts on the ground, only the label. Since you are not a dullard, I'll gladly debate on it.
quote:
Europeans made peace with the Barbary powers through treaties that involved annual payments of tribute — sometimes euphemistically called annuities. The merchant vessels of any country without such a treaty were at the mercy of the state-sponsored maritime marauders known as corsairs, sometimes mislabeled pirates.[3] The commissioners reported this practice to Congress and sought guidance.[4]
ETA: the distinctions the historians are making, which I concur, are that 'pirates' would only steal for the sake of profit and only profit. Where a 'corsair' is doing it at the behest of a state, for purposes of that state (whatever those varied purposes might be).
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 8:15 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:24 am to I20goon
quote:
Where a 'corsair' is doing it at the behest of a state, for purposes of that state (whatever those varied purposes might be).
Maybe Barbarossa himself acted out of loyalty to the Sultan but his men were in it for money. And maybe a cute blonde here and there.
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