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re: The level of naivety regarding the Iranian conflict is disturbing
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:24 am to RollTide4547
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:24 am to RollTide4547
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I say uneducated savages. Animals even.
You must not know any Persians
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Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:26 am to Tmo Sabe
When they were selling slaves there were those that kept them 'captive' I suppose. So there is that. However, as a nation we walked away from that.
The US does not go to war to make peoples captive.
The US does not go to war to make peoples captive.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:27 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Irrelevant. Does that exonerate them from everything that's happened since? Does that exonerate the people who celebrate attacks on Americans or others? Does that exonerate them when they attack civilian targets?
They were in every sense of the word a puppet state
Naive
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:28 am to wareaglepete
quote:Tell me what I said that's false in the OP
Yeah, who’s being naive?
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:29 am to somethingdifferent
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Irrelevant. Does that exonerate them from everything that's happened since?
It gives you a glimpse of the future if we stay involved in Israels war.
More terrorism.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:29 am to Powerman
quote:That would make me complicit. Also, would I be celebrating when my leaders attacked civilian targets?
If you lived there you wouldn't do shite
quote:Then don't cry when someone bigger comes over to clean house
You've never lived in an oppressive government so don't tell me what you would do if you did
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:It's not "Israel's war." It's like people can't read. I addressed this in the OP
It gives you a glimpse of the future if we stay involved in Israels war
quote:All the more reason to be proactive rather than reactive and naive
More terrorism
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:32 am to themunch
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Persians have a long history of making people captives.
As does every empire, city state, etc.
On topic, all we'd need to do is put a couple of divisions in Eastern Iraq, and contain them just like we do with South Korea, Poland, Germany, etc. That's your alternative.
Once we banned slave importation, the US shouldn't have had any real business either going after slave ships, or the Barbary pirates. But we did. We spent a massive amount of money, and time, sending frigates to police what was international commerce hundreds of years ago. This isn't much different.
If we hadn't *directly* aided and abetted Iran's increased belligerence through both the deposition of Saddam and the cash infusion Obama gave them, one could make much stronger arguments for us to not get involved.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:33 am to somethingdifferent
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Even the liberal, America-hating NYT reported that Iraq had WMD.
And what do you conclude from that?
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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THE NEO CONS ARE BACK BABY
Last I checked, there is no specific group who calls themselves "neocon". It's just a name given by others.
In life things happen and you must step up. We're very fortunate to actually be in this situation where we have a very mad and dangerous foe on the ropes before we drop a single bomb.
Since 1979, the enemy has announced they will do anything to end Israel, Britain, France and America. There is no other country close who sponsors terrorism in the amounts that Iran does. We can finally end 80% of that and get the jump on the next country who decides they want to take Iran's place.
Now is not the time to be afraid and turn back to being sheep. We must remain our own protector.
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 8:35 am
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:34 am to somethingdifferent
They can fund terrorism because the exalted Muslim Obama gave them pallets of untraceable cash without any congress approval or oversight.
Too bad we don't have any curious or honest journalists that could have spotlighted this.
Too bad we don't have any curious or honest journalists that could have spotlighted this.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:35 am to somethingdifferent
quote:
All the more reason to be proactive rather than reactive and naive
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Creates terrorists.
Good job
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:37 am to Powerman
quote:Not sure if I do. Do know a bit about the middle east though.
You must not know any Persians
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:38 am to Faurot fodder
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have no beef with us protecting America against radical jihadists. Kill every last motherfricking one of them. But, when we are done we need to take whatever we spent in defending Israel out of their economy. It's all about my tax dollars now.
You should learn who your enemy is before you go warmongering for them.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:39 am to JimEverett
quote:That denying it is stupid. I'm guessing that people don't want to believe it because they saw the effects of the conflict and then buried their heads in the sand about the reality of the world
And what do you conclude from that?
Seriously, Saddam had already gassed the Kurds. Is it so hard to believe? I've watched this lie grow over the years and it's sad
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:40 am to RollTide4547
quote:
Not sure if I do
How old are you? Do you live in a small town?
I find it hard to believe you haven't met any Iranian Americans unless you're completely sheltered
quote:
Do know a bit about the middle east though.
Sure
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:41 am to somethingdifferent
So, you think Saddam did have WMD. I respect that - was just wondering what you meant.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:41 am to somethingdifferent
Literally every argument you are making is from 2003
Verbatim
I'll say what I said then.
*ahem*
frick off
I especially love that you resurrected the bullshite "we fight them there, so we don't have to fight them here" bullshite "war on terror" argument.
This argument is as relevant as Reefer Madness
Verbatim
I'll say what I said then.
*ahem*
frick off
I especially love that you resurrected the bullshite "we fight them there, so we don't have to fight them here" bullshite "war on terror" argument.
quote:
Here are FACTS
1. America has real enemies. They are constantly working to destroy YOU and your way of life
2. You either fight these fights on American soil or abroad. You don't get the option of "staying out of it." Eventually, these conflicts will reach domestic shores if we are passive
This argument is as relevant as Reefer Madness
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 8:44 am
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:42 am to somethingdifferent
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If they were innocent, they would have rebelled against the Islamic regime.
Stopped reading right there.
It kills me when people act as if this is just a natural and straightforward solution. It’s like they read about the American Revolution, drink in some Declaration vibes, and think they had anything at all to do with this country achieving its freedom and foundation.
It’s like the people who believe that if they were born in Tehran or Riyadh would still be born again Christians.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:42 am to somethingdifferent
In simple terms, the costs of war are obvious to all.
But there is a significant cost to inaction as well.
In this case, the cost is arming a suicidal enemy with the power to kill tens of millions of people with a single bomb (or hold the world hostage with it)
We are at a moment of choosing which door to walk thru. Once Iran has a nuke, we are all at their mercy because they will use it.
But there is a significant cost to inaction as well.
In this case, the cost is arming a suicidal enemy with the power to kill tens of millions of people with a single bomb (or hold the world hostage with it)
We are at a moment of choosing which door to walk thru. Once Iran has a nuke, we are all at their mercy because they will use it.
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