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re: The Law by Frédéric Bastiat

Posted on 6/22/26 at 5:57 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 6/22/26 at 5:57 pm to
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There’s a Book called The Denial of Death that was recently recommended to me. It’s on my list of books to read.
I'd be surprised if you thought much of it after you read it. You should read it though ... at least until you understand what it's actually about.
Posted by Jauquismos
Member since Jul 2023
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Posted on 6/22/26 at 6:01 pm to
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
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Posted on 6/22/26 at 6:04 pm to
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does someone still have claims to something they produced after death through wills, trusts and estates? I’m not suggesting that the government or someone else should get it. I’m not suggesting an alternative to wills or estates. I’m questioning whether those categories of prolonged or indefinite possession are natural or intuitive. I’m discussing the nature of ownership, not proposing a policy.


A will doesn’t prove ownership is imaginary. It proves ownership includes the right to dispose of your property. If I can give you my truck today while alive, why would death magically erase my authority to direct where it goes tomorrow?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
129052 posts
Posted on 6/22/26 at 6:08 pm to
You’re acting like there’s ethnographic studies identifying customs for passing along inheritances.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
479263 posts
Posted on 6/22/26 at 6:09 pm to
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Again, there's good reasons to avoid that too... they are nature's garbage disposals. I can list reasons, but really, being garbage disposals covers it.


This was much more of a concern when the OT was written than today.

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Circumcision in the Bible isn't what has been performed on American infants in the hospital nursery for decades. But, to be fair, in high risk societies, circumcision is supposedly beneficial.

There is science that backs up a great lot of these archaic rules.


Nobody is doubting that risk can exist with them, but their prohibition is due to the ignorance of why they're risky. The fact the behavior was necessary 4000-5000 years ago and isn't now still implies it was a benefit to society in the past.

The point is that we can control most, if not all, of those risks, because society has developed. This means they're no longer needed as a social more...the easiest kind of rejection of societal conservatism.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49503 posts
Posted on 6/22/26 at 8:08 pm to
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does someone still have claims to something they produced after death through wills, trusts and estates? I’m not suggesting that the government or someone else should get it. I’m not suggesting an alternative to wills or estates. I’m questioning whether those categories of prolonged or indefinite possession are natural or intuitive. I’m discussing the nature of ownership, not proposing a policy.


One of the fundamental rights of property ownership is the right to dispose of said property. A succession is nothing more than property owner exercising their right of disposal. It’s not any fundamentally different than someone selling their home.

One of the major issues with your argument is your altered definition of ownership.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49503 posts
Posted on 6/22/26 at 8:27 pm to
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Do tribes in Papua New Guinea and the Amazon Rainforest claim ownership of things?


Yes


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Indefinite possession that outlasts their immediate needs?


That isn’t the definition of ownership.
Posted by Cromulent
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Posted on 6/22/26 at 8:30 pm to
Sure is funny that you followed posting yourself under a different name. Must be a slow night at the Cuck household.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61949 posts
Posted on 6/22/26 at 10:57 pm to
Why would ownership survive death?

quote:

One of the major issues with your argument is your altered definition of ownership.
I don’t know what you mean by this. I’m questioning the definition of ownership.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61949 posts
Posted on 6/22/26 at 11:37 pm to
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Are they wrong because we agree they’re wrong, or do we agree they’re wrong because they are wrong?

They cause observable harm. I realize this could get circular — why is causing harm wrong?

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Yes
why would ownership survive death? If ownership is a natural right, what is the mechanism by which that right persists after the rights-holder no longer exists?
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
144298 posts
Posted on 6/22/26 at 11:46 pm to
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4Chubbs fancies herself an intellectual.


she does provide "good enough diploma" services to the "less fortunate"

Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61949 posts
Posted on 6/22/26 at 11:50 pm to
As opposed to unremarkable message board posts that aren’t even funny or interesting?

Guilty.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
144298 posts
Posted on 6/22/26 at 11:57 pm to
i take exception to "aren't even funny" remark.

i am extremely funny. i was voted most witty in high school.

have you ever been voted "most ________" ? anything?

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
479263 posts
Posted on 6/23/26 at 7:15 am to
That last post by cubbies should dissolve any silly notion that she's my alter. I'd never say you weren't funny.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38734 posts
Posted on 6/23/26 at 7:25 am to
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That last post by cubbies should dissolve any silly notion that she's my alter. I'd never say you weren't funny.


The exact kind of behavior one would utilize to throw others off their trail.



Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
14161 posts
Posted on 6/23/26 at 7:29 am to
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That last post by cubbies should dissolve any silly notion that she's my alter.


It might if I was aware of the official explanation for the original incident that started that theory.

How is it that you came to answer a post to her about being fat from her perspective...in her "voice," so to speak?
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
150835 posts
Posted on 6/23/26 at 7:31 am to
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In terms of society? Power begat laws begat religion begat rights ...but agriculture allowed all of this to occur.
there is evidence of Neanderthals following religious beliefs

More accurate:

Symbolic thought
ritual/spiritual beliefs
agriculture
states
written laws
organized religions
codified rights

Global institutions
Networked societies
AI Augmented governance
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
Member since Jul 2007
13121 posts
Posted on 6/23/26 at 7:32 am to
There is no mover before the Prime Mover.

The Prime Mover begat all natural rights…
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
479263 posts
Posted on 6/23/26 at 7:35 am to
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It might if I was aware of the official explanation for the original incident that started that theory.

I truly have no idea how the retarded idea started

quote:

How is it that you came to answer a post to her about being fat

wut
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
479263 posts
Posted on 6/23/26 at 7:36 am to
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there is evidence of Neanderthals following religious beliefs


But my comment was specific to society, not the individual. I'm not up on the scholarship, but I don't think Neanderthals had societies.
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