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The Iranian Artesh
Posted on 7/12/26 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 7/12/26 at 7:52 pm
This is the regular military (non-Islamists) in Iran. At what point, if ever, do they take out the IRGC? The population would join them if they will just act. The result will probably be a more secular dictatorship, but still more reasonable than the current regime system.
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Posted on 7/12/26 at 7:54 pm to Bamafig
This is what will eventually happen, imo. And pretty much exactly what Trump has been trying to set in motion.
Posted on 7/12/26 at 7:54 pm to Bamafig
Unlikely. Over the last decade or so, the IRGC has layered it's own people into the Artesh command structure. Less radical elements have been pushed out of the Artesh or sidelined.
Posted on 7/12/26 at 7:56 pm to Bamafig
I think people forget that Iran is not organically Islamic. It was forced upon them. Iran was once a beautifully vibrant Zoroastrian civilization.
Posted on 7/12/26 at 8:08 pm to Bamafig
And y’all are thinking that this sort of an armed group or division or perhaps “army,” of a non-Islamic centered/based description as you mentioned, would be allowed to exist by the very much Islamist head honchos there? In these quite-seemingly perilous times for those goons??
I’m not attempting to shoot down the concept of a “grassroots” organized uprising from within the country, I’m just not quite sure it looks like that.
I’m not attempting to shoot down the concept of a “grassroots” organized uprising from within the country, I’m just not quite sure it looks like that.
Posted on 7/12/26 at 8:12 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Iran was once a beautifully vibrant Zoroastrian civilization.
Over 1400 years ago... sure
Posted on 7/12/26 at 8:13 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I think people forget that Iran is not organically Islamic. It was forced upon them by Arab camel jockeys who should’ve stayed the frick out of the Persia
FIFY
This post was edited on 7/12/26 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 7/12/26 at 8:14 pm to Bamafig
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The population would join them if they will just act.
Go look at some rallies for Khamenei.
Posted on 7/12/26 at 8:15 pm to Bamafig
How have they been allowed to coincide with the IRGC?
It’s like having antifa and the marines in the same country.
…..oh wait.
It’s like having antifa and the marines in the same country.
…..oh wait.
Posted on 7/12/26 at 8:33 pm to dstone12
It’s a numbers game. Not every German was in the SS. The majority were in the Wehrmacht.
The Wehrmacht was Germany's main military, with over 18 million soldiers in total during World War II. The Waffen-SS was Hitler's private, political army. It peaked at about 950,000 soldiers. This means the regular military was vastly larger than the SS, making up the bulk of Germany's forces
Iran's regular army (Artesh) has about 350,000 active personnel, while the ideologically driven IRGC (Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps) has roughly 150,000 to 200,000 active troops.
Add some number of thousands of civilians to that total. It’s not going to be easy, but what are their options? We are not sending ground troops.
The Wehrmacht was Germany's main military, with over 18 million soldiers in total during World War II. The Waffen-SS was Hitler's private, political army. It peaked at about 950,000 soldiers. This means the regular military was vastly larger than the SS, making up the bulk of Germany's forces
Iran's regular army (Artesh) has about 350,000 active personnel, while the ideologically driven IRGC (Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps) has roughly 150,000 to 200,000 active troops.
Add some number of thousands of civilians to that total. It’s not going to be easy, but what are their options? We are not sending ground troops.
Posted on 7/12/26 at 8:49 pm to The Baker
No, Iran was Zoroastrian before 1979
Posted on 7/12/26 at 8:51 pm to Bamafig
Nothing will happen but do let me know something like this actually does.
Posted on 7/12/26 at 8:57 pm to Bamafig
That would be ideal but I think that chance may have come and gone. Trump fricked up by waiting months and not attacking in January during the height of the protests.
Posted on 7/12/26 at 8:59 pm to BayouBengal51
I think you're right and I think that the Artesh has been thoroughly infiltrated by the IRGC.
Posted on 7/12/26 at 9:05 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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No, Iran was Zoroastrian before 1979
I have no idea why people listen to your opinion on this board.
The percentage of zoroastrians in Iran circa 1950 was less than 1% of the population.
The conversion of Persia to majority muslim occurred in the 700’s CE
Posted on 7/12/26 at 9:07 pm to The Baker
I meant 1979 BC
Posted on 7/12/26 at 9:09 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I meant 1979 BC
Also wrong
Zoroaster wasnt born until at least 1500 BC
god you're such a dumbass
This post was edited on 7/12/26 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 7/12/26 at 9:20 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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No, Iran was Zoroastrian before 1979
No. When the Islamic Republic of Iran took over in 1979 the vast majority of the population was Shi'a Muslim. 90-95%. Sunni Muslims made up the other 5-10% and Zoroastrians were less than 1%.
You gotta go back a long ways to find a time when the country was predominantly Zoroastrian. The Arab conquest happened around 650 AD and after a period of about 400 years the population had become Muslim. They destroyed Zoroastrian temples, forced conversions, etc.
Historically, yeah, they used to be majority Zoroastrian, but that was quite a long time ago.
Posted on 7/12/26 at 9:21 pm to The Baker
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I have no idea why people listen to your opinion on this board.
The guy is so frickin wrong on literally everything he posts that I can't help but think he does it on purpose.
Posted on 7/12/26 at 9:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I meant 1979 BC
Now you're just fricking lying. You were clearly talking about the 1979 revolution that saw the current Islamic Republic of Iran enact a coup upon the Pahlavi constitutional monarchy.
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