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re: The H1-B visa ban is dumb.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 10:45 am to Sentrius
Posted on 6/23/20 at 10:45 am to Sentrius
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You and I may not have got along last fall but on this we agree.
I reserve my MTV board opinions for a separate discussion
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The biggest problem with big corporations today is that corporate America has completely abandoned the middle class, the poor and in doing so all concept and desire of being a good corporate citizen that lifts up all Americans in a rising tide and instead have embraced an unconscionable level of greed and that greed is the driving feature of the globalism they subscribe to.
You know what's a great example of that greed for big corporations? Boeing and their 737 MAX disaster and outsourcing development of the MAX's software to cheaper $9 dollars an hour Indian engineers.
100%
What most people don’t realize is that outsourcing jobs isn’t a low level issue anymore. The middle class didn’t care that much when it was just the IT department or the customer support department. We griped and moaned, but didn’t really make a big fuss. But now all of your other technical work is being sent to India. Your research is being done by H1Bs, your college classes are taught by H1Bs. Your planes are being designed in India, Your bridges are being designed there, even your roads are worked on by Indian outsourced jobs. And these jobs work for 1/4 of the pay, severely undercutting your American highly skilled workers. The training they receive is also 1/4 of the value, so mistakes are rampant and often not caught by the American engineers signing off on the work, who are given very little time to actually review the work. Plus all the basic issues with English as a second or 3rd language
Massive corporate cost cutting is rampant and dependent on international workers that take a much lower salary. It’s a huge issue, but not isolated to China. Trump’s H1B suspension is huge. It’s only a start though, something needs to be done about outsourcing of highly skilled labor
This post was edited on 6/23/20 at 10:50 am
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Posted on 6/23/20 at 10:47 am to agregime1
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Dumbass 200k are given out each year, what’s that going to do for 26 million unemployed. Are you too stupid to understand that this doesn’t do anything?
This is rich. It’s ONLY 200k jobs that could go to Americans. We should have MORE immigration! If we let in another 500k immigrants it’s only 26.5 million that are jobless! That doesn’t do anything!
Posted on 6/23/20 at 10:56 am to tenderfoot tigah
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26 million AMERICANS are unemployed.
The vast majority of whom are not trained and frankly have no motivation to be trained for these types of jobs.
We’re turning into Italy or Greece where the masses of unemployed sit around arguing about politics and how so and so populist is going to fix it all.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 10:57 am to TejasHorn
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The vast majority of whom are not trained and frankly have no motivation to be trained for these types of jobs.
We’re turning into Italy or Greece where the masses of unemployed sit around arguing about politics and how so and so populist is going to fix it all.
And clearly, more cheap labor is a way to remedy this.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:08 am to Mo Jeaux
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Yes, these companies spend absolutely no money lobbying for their cheap imported labor. Sounds like an absolutely free market!
So I'm talking direct hires now....contractors are a whole other issue. There are similar issues though.
Case in point about 5 years ago I was hiring an entry level developer at a company in BR. I had 5-6 applicants just graduating from LSU, SU, and SLU. Their salary requirements were anywhere from 75K to 90K (insanity on the high end). My company was comfortable paying in the 60-65K range which I though was fair for a developer that has never put anything into a production environment that made money in their lives. I got 1 application from a H1-B guy that needed a sponsorship which we really didn't want to get into but I interviewed the guy anyway. He had 5 yrs experience was by far the more advanced developer than any other person I interviewed and his salary requirements were 60K-70K....we hired him and sponsored his visa.
As far as I know he still works for that company and is one of the best developers they have.
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crony capitalism
Ah now I see we have a liberal socialist on our hands....carry on good sir.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:12 am to LSU316
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So I'm talking direct hires now....contractors are a whole other issue. There are similar issues though.
Case in point about 5 years ago I was hiring an entry level developer at a company in BR. I had 5-6 applicants just graduating from LSU, SU, and SLU. Their salary requirements were anywhere from 75K to 90K (insanity on the high end). My company was comfortable paying in the 60-65K range which I though was fair for a developer that has never put anything into a production environment that made money in their lives. I got 1 application from a H1-B guy that needed a sponsorship which we really didn't want to get into but I interviewed the guy anyway. He had 5 yrs experience was by far the more advanced developer than any other person I interviewed and his salary requirements were 60K-70K....we hired him and sponsored his visa.
As far as I know he still works for that company and is one of the best developers they have.
I'm sorry, what do you think this anecdote proves?
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Ah now I see we have a liberal socialist on our hands....carry on good sir.
Wait, you're casting aspersions of someone being a "liberal socialist" while simultaneously advocating for a government instituted direct manipulation of the labor market.
I bet you think that you're a small government conservative too!
Again, you boomer conservatives are the absolute fricking worst.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:13 am to Chromdome35
So first off Tech industry != Construction industry
If I was able to review both's work and I came to the decision that they were of equal quality of course I would choose the cheaper contractor....all other things equal price is a great deciding factor.
Again if quality/workmanship is the same I don't care what nationality you are.
I can tell you form personal experience I'll never hesitate to hire Mexicans to roof my house. They do good work and their work ethic on those projects are leaps and bounds above most other contractors....from what I've seen in my area.
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If you are building a new house and put the construction contract out to bid if all the bids are exactly the same except for price, are you going to choose the highest price contractor?
If I was able to review both's work and I came to the decision that they were of equal quality of course I would choose the cheaper contractor....all other things equal price is a great deciding factor.
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If the only difference was that the most expensive contractor's crew was 100% American would it change your decision, and would it depend on how much different the price was?
Again if quality/workmanship is the same I don't care what nationality you are.
I can tell you form personal experience I'll never hesitate to hire Mexicans to roof my house. They do good work and their work ethic on those projects are leaps and bounds above most other contractors....from what I've seen in my area.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:17 am to Mo Jeaux
I think CHAZ is missing their resident fake HR guy....you should get back before they all go to jail.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:25 am to LSU316
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I think CHAZ is missing their resident fake HR guy....you should get back before they all go to jail.
That's right. You're a real Merican! God bless BigTech and damn the American worker. You're a real patriot.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:32 am to Mo Jeaux
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You're a real Merican! God bless BigTech and damn the American worker. You're a real patriot.
Likewise with your government mandated hiring practices.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:33 am to LSU316
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Likewise with your government mandated hiring practices.
Wut?
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:38 am to LSU316
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Case in point about 5 years ago I was hiring an entry level developer at a company in BR. I had 5-6 applicants just graduating from LSU, SU, and SLU. Their salary requirements were anywhere from 75K to 90K (insanity on the high end). My company was comfortable paying in the 60-65K range which I though was fair for a developer that has never put anything into a production environment that made money in their lives. I got 1 application from a H1-B guy that needed a sponsorship which we really didn't want to get into but I interviewed the guy anyway. He had 5 yrs experience was by far the more advanced developer than any other person I interviewed and his salary requirements were 60K-70K....we hired him and sponsored his visa.
Thanks for proving trump correct.
Considering you had qualified applicants, I assume you lied and said this import had a skill set you couldn’t find domestically?
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:38 am to agregime1
There is not shortage at all. The so call High Tech companies bring the foreign workers to the US mainly because of low wage. Google and the likes won't even hire local educated talent kids with conservative believes.
Should Yale U be changed to Floyd U?
Should Yale U be changed to Floyd U?
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Dumb part is the H1-B affects the technology position the most where there is a current huge shortage in workers.
This post was edited on 6/23/20 at 11:40 am
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:42 am to Mo Jeaux
You sit here a criticize companies for hiring H1-B applicants that are as qualified (or more qualified) and way cheaper than American applicants, but you don't offer up any solutions.
We need to focus on getting rid of illegal immigration....not legal H1-B workers....which is what your ilk wants whether you will admit it or not.
We need to focus on getting rid of illegal immigration....not legal H1-B workers....which is what your ilk wants whether you will admit it or not.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:44 am to Turbeauxdog
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I assume you lied and said this import had a skill set you couldn’t find domestically?
Not at the price.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:45 am to pecxs
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Google and the likes won't even hire local educated talent kids with conservative believes.
That's simply not true....I'm assuming by local here you are implying American.
I've seen Google hire many Americans.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:45 am to LSU316
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You sit here a criticize companies for hiring H1-B applicants that are as qualified (or more qualified) and way cheaper than American applicants, but you don't offer up any solutions.
Yes, I do criticize them, and rightfully so. I also criticize the lobbying efforts of those companies, along with our government, which is complicit.
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We need to focus on getting rid of illegal immigration....not legal H1-B workers....which is what your ilk wants whether you will admit it or not.
I'm for that too. Who are "my ilk"?
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:46 am to LSU316
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Not at the price.
Muh GDP! Muh cheap stuff!
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:46 am to Mo Jeaux
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Yes, I do criticize them, and rightfully so. I also criticize the lobbying efforts of those companies, along with our government, which is complicit.
Again give a damn equitable alternative or got off the fricking pot....you people are unreal.
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Who are "my ilk"?
You know.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:47 am to agregime1
America was built by the best of the best. People came here because it was the land of opportunity and if you were the best you succeeded. Now people are like but, but, but I want that job. Then fricking be better than the LEGAL immigrant who grew up poor and will bust his arse to get the job done.
America isn't a fricking rec league baseball team where everyone gets playtime because you are on the team. It's a fricking all-star team, if you want to start, get better or grab some fricking bench.
America isn't a fricking rec league baseball team where everyone gets playtime because you are on the team. It's a fricking all-star team, if you want to start, get better or grab some fricking bench.
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