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The growth of law enforcement is bad for society

Posted on 9/16/23 at 10:52 pm
Posted by philly444
stuck in contraflow
Member since Nov 2008
11349 posts
Posted on 9/16/23 at 10:52 pm
Police jurisdiction and overreach has lead to the preservation of human life that is not worth preserving. People who have previously got a bullet to the face for trespassing and similar crimes are being protected by the police. I support defunding the police due to this!
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
113938 posts
Posted on 9/16/23 at 10:54 pm to
I support more funding for the police so they can pay more to attract better quality officers.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57279 posts
Posted on 9/16/23 at 10:56 pm to
Start by enforcing borders and going Charles Bronson on actual scrims, then I’ll listen
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62746 posts
Posted on 9/16/23 at 11:00 pm to
When will people realize that the police is a need, not a want?

If crimes reduced on their own, cities would cut the police force.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
COINTELPRO Fan
Member since May 2012
55562 posts
Posted on 9/16/23 at 11:01 pm to
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
6404 posts
Posted on 9/16/23 at 11:06 pm to
quote:

pay more to attract better quality officers.


I hate to break it to you, but an extra $5-10k a year is not going to get you law school graduates that can read the Constitution.

Oh shite, I just realized it was you. I haven't been paying attention to why everyone else hates you, but I already feel bad for spending 30 seconds on a response.
Posted by RedFoxx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Jan 2009
6000 posts
Posted on 9/16/23 at 11:16 pm to
I remember when police used to wear ties and caps and protected and served.

Now they wear their tacti-cool seal team six gear because of all their war on drugs grants. Now all they do is collect and harass.
This post was edited on 9/16/23 at 11:17 pm
Posted by HerkFlyer
Auburn, AL
Member since Jan 2018
2995 posts
Posted on 9/16/23 at 11:22 pm to
There's a happy medium somewhere.

City police departments having MRAPS ain't it.
Posted by STLDawg
The Lou
Member since Apr 2015
3701 posts
Posted on 9/16/23 at 11:30 pm to
The main job of the police in most places these days is to harass and fine to fund city governments.
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired
Member since Feb 2019
4558 posts
Posted on 9/16/23 at 11:32 pm to
quote:

I remember when police used to wear ties and caps and protected and served.

Now they wear their tacti-cool seal team six gear because of all their war on drugs grants. Now all they do is collect and harass.



And carried 6 shooters rather than 20 round Glocks. Up through the 80s, cops would often try to defuse a situation using compassion, common sense and experience. Now they are handling situations like they are clearing houses in Fallujah.

I know a retired cop who always says he'd rather work with a lazy partner than an aggressive partner.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
6404 posts
Posted on 9/16/23 at 11:36 pm to
I can't remember the name of the blogger that made me aware to this in the late 2000s, but this is a decent article on it.

quote:

In fact, between 1998 and 2014, the dollar value of military hardware sent to police departments skyrocketed from $9.4 million to a startling $796.8 million.


That's no bueno. Does this help them feel emboldened to arrest people reading pedo books at school board meetings? Only others can say.

But the bigger factor that shits on our society? Decriminalizing and not prosecuting crimes. The cops are a tool, that's it. It's their job to essentially get your dumb cousin's arse to the jail so the DA can decide what to do with them.

This will probably get the thread RA'd, but plenty of LEOs are sent to perceived minor events. Yes, I know that domestic violence calls are the most likely to end in an LEO assault/murder. Not good. ETA: rolling SWAT on domestic disturbances is probably usually appropriate, but I suspect it's not going to help the situation.
This post was edited on 9/16/23 at 11:41 pm
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25591 posts
Posted on 9/16/23 at 11:37 pm to
IMO one of the big issues for cops in high crime areas is the deployment to dwell rate. They are never going to reach the 1:3 considered optimum for the military (nor do they need to) but they need to spend FAR more time training and decompressing. This means more money and more officers which for most places is just impossible.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
6404 posts
Posted on 9/16/23 at 11:44 pm to
quote:

This means more money and more officers which for most places is just impossible.


I disagree, respectfully. There are millions and billions of dollars available. Localities choose to do something else with the money.

Beat cops, detectives, forensics, firefighters, EMTs, spend all the money. Spend it there first.
Posted by HerkFlyer
Auburn, AL
Member since Jan 2018
2995 posts
Posted on 9/16/23 at 11:50 pm to
quote:

Does this help them feel emboldened to arrest people reading pedo books at school board meetings?


Don't know the answer to this, but that's my fear.


quote:

The cops are a tool, that's it. It's their job to essentially get your dumb cousin's arse to the jail so the DA can decide what to do with them.


I'm with you.

The more they're militarized, the more they have a sense of power over those they're supposed to protect and serve. It's not like this condition is new to being human.
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
11791 posts
Posted on 9/16/23 at 11:56 pm to
You’re title is wrong. This has to be a troll?
Posted by NCIS_76
Member since Jan 2021
5246 posts
Posted on 9/16/23 at 11:59 pm to
quote:

philly444


Be sure not to call them if you should be in dire need of their assistance. Just handle it yourself.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
6404 posts
Posted on 9/17/23 at 12:00 am to
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The more they're militarized, the more they have a sense of power over those they're supposed to protect


Adam Carolla, in the mid 2000s, did mention that a lot of police he ran into in CA were essentially football players that didn't make it into college and really liked the ability to control others. Completely anecdotal, but I've dealt with a number of cops like that. It escalated in 2003 when I watched some of the tactics that were used against Iraq vets that just wanted to be left alone (it was either Kenner or Metarie). The family wanted the house, he wanted his family the hell out of his business, vet ends up dead after an assault. I can't find the NOLA article from 03/04 at the moment.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25591 posts
Posted on 9/17/23 at 12:04 am to
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I disagree, respectfully. There are millions and billions of dollars available. Localities choose to do something else with the money.


I think the primary problem with my "plan" would be finding the quality officers not really the money. I do think money would be an issue though.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
17902 posts
Posted on 9/17/23 at 12:05 am to
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Be sure not to call them if you should be in dire need of their assistance. Just handle it yourself.

TSA sucks a bag of dicks, but the solution isn't don't fly
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
6404 posts
Posted on 9/17/23 at 12:08 am to
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finding the quality officers


Government funded agencies are about keeping out competition. Can I teach IT without spending a year in an unpaid internship in a Louisiana school, even though I have a degree in Education, and 20+ years of experience? Nope, thanks to government and union regs.

I'm not LEO, but running your LEOs ragged with forced overtime, cut overtime, too many days on, etc., would seem to be a larger impediment to recruitment, even before the Summer of Love trash.
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