re: The Fundamental Flaw in every last God/No God thread ever on this board

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I don't get the distinction/point of this multiple universe idea in relation to this discussion(or my earlier point) that if there was somehow shown to be a "creator" of THIS universe, then at the very least the Bible was sort of onto something.

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Well if we're going to stretch it to that point, then so were the Greeks with the Greek Gods, Romans, the Norse and hell, the Native Americans with their Sun Gods.

Somehow, I don't think that qualifies as support for the idea of the God of the Bible.

To use a non religious example. LOTS of people attempted to fly by building flying apparatus' that involved flapping wings.

They were certainly correct that humans could figure out to fly............but the flapping wing idea was shite.

Did you just read Hume's Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion? Your post reminded me of it.

And I think your diagnosis of the kind of low-brow theological discussion that can be found in this forum is fair and accurate.

But in slightly more academic forums, one will distinguish among a demiurge, a deistic god, a theistic god, and even more personal gods.

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But in slightly more academic forums, one will distinguish among a demiurge, a deistic god, a theistic god, and even more personal gods.

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This...

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If a being could create human beings, that being could make them capable of knowing him. We don't have to measure the full depth of something to know it.

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two things. Number one could and would are two different words. Number two. Creating a universe doesn't necessitate creating human being specifically. One could create universe and then let the chips fall where they may.

I don't see a problem with both logic/science and the supernatural coexisting. It seems a lot of people prefer going black/white with it though--either it's all science based and God is BS or science is BS and it's God based.

I might be the only one who thinks the complexity of human life, how life on earth evolved to humans as we know it etc, actually demonstrates that there is a God, a supernatural creator etc who first put the workings and rationale of science into motion. A supernatural creator created a world that can now be (mostly) explained by logic and science.

Having said that I don't give a shite what one believes or doesn't. Whatever makes you happy and gives you strength, go with it.

Seems to me the religious are those who read a book and said that's it case closed

Religious threads allowed again? Time to bring back Rex?

No one knows, you know?

We'll all find out one day. Or we won't.

That about sums it up.

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LSUGrrrl

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Grrrl!!! What's up? Long time no see. Hope all is well.

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Where did the creative force responsible for our universe come from? I'm pretty sure that's where all theist arguments fall apart.

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There's a difference between "everything that exists must have had a cause" and "everything that has an effect must have a cause". I believe the latter. If there is a creator that transcends above the creation, it's feasible to believe that this God is not constrained to the rules of causality that which all other things in the universe are subjected.

And even if a person rejects that a supernatural being can be exempted from causation, you're stuck with another issue in that all things must have had a cause, going back infinitely, which casts doubt on a big bang where everything came from nothing. The better solution is to assume that all matter is infinite and the universe is one infinite loop of big bangs, expansion, and contraction, leading to an infinite number of "big bangs".