re: The Epstein gaslighting is unreal

Why is Finger Wagging Pam catching all of the heat?

Patel the fraud and Blowhard Bongino lied like dogs about it also.

All three of them are frauds.

That's the issue. It's clear they aren't going to release shite. So we should move on. But... fricking bondi and Republicans keep bringing the Epstein shite up as political ammunition to hurl at Democrats.




No amount of us bitching and demanding it be released will get it released. All Bondi and company are doing by constantly bringing it up... is reminding us that they've the authority to release stuff, but they won't.

Like i said.. we should move on. But Bondi refuses to drop the narrative and let us move on.

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It's not hypocrisy, mensa. I'll do the reader's digest version.

Me: If blackmail is involved that's bad.
Him: Nothing material will come from it.
Me: You wouldn't have any way of knowing if something material came from blackmail.

That's not hypocrisy, it's discussing a hypothetical.

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How do you not see your hypocrisy? You are trying to use the word "if" to make it seem as though you're merely posing a hypothetical, and yet you clearly stated that it was "more likely than not" blackmail from an outside entity. Well how would you know any more than he does? You both have an opinion. You could both be right, and you could both be wrong. We simply do not know.

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Go read his Wiki page, then start reading the pages of all the bigwigs he interacted with and the guys who paved the way for him to go from college dropout lying about his credentials so he could teach to billionaire. If you still think there's nothing there, then we process information differently.

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I have read it, not that a wiki page is exactly the most trusted source for information. And I know exactly what you think you have, but what I don't understand is how it ties to Israel. He had dealings with a couple of guys with Jewish surnames, who had no apparent ties with Israel, and he had a client who was heavily involved in swapping weapons out of Israel and into Iran, which, would seem to be very counter-productive for someone who was supposedly beholden to Israel. The only thing that vaguely gives your case some life is the Wexner foundation, but even that seems very loose, as his involvement boiled down to nothing but a financial manager, and doesn't provide any valuable insight into how protecting Epstein would be important to anyone associated with that group.

Again, he was doing highly illegal things on that Island. Lots of very powerful people, of all nationalities, went there. There are a lot of people who could be incentivized to blackmail their way out of trouble. There isn't any strong evidence of the state of Israel being involved.

Dropping this and moving on only gives the organization(s) behind all of this more power over everybody. Moving on from this is one of the stupidest ideas in the history of the world. The only people that want to move on from this is the status quo.

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"Maxwell was afforded a lavish funeral in Israel, attended by Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, Israeli President Chaim Herzog, at least six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence[67] and many dignitaries and politicians, both government and opposition, and was buried on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem."

I guess we just see the evidence differently.

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You specifically wanted me to address how he went from nothing, to what he became. And I did that. Now you're offering up this above information as proof of an Israeli blackmail?

Help me understand. Are you talking about Epstein and his associates using the videos to blackmail others, or are we actually talking about someone else blackmailing the DOJ to cover this up? I have assumed that we were talking about the latter, since you keep saying Israel is involved.

But how can Israel blackmail the DOJ, unless they have video of one or more of them doing illegal things?

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How do we know they're not following orders?

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I assume Bondi and Patel are both reading scripted talking points. That these talking points often are in direct contradiction with each other is simply a means to sow confusion and discord among the American electorate and specifically the MAGA base:

Kash Patel Appears To Contradict Pam Bondi When Pressed by Rogan on Existence of ‘Thousands’ of Epstein Island Videos….

At this late stage, I further assume what we are witnessing is all Kabuki Theater. The ultimate goal is to create a sacrificial political scapegoat that will provide a neat closing chapter to the “official” narrative of the Epstein case.

It sucks. Just take the L and move on.

Or vote for AOC in 3 1/2 years if it means that much to you I guess

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Now you're offering up this above information as proof of an Israeli blackmail?

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No, I'm offering it as evidence. Along with all his other convenient connections, his baffling hire by Bear Stearns, etc. That evidence either adds up to something for you or it doesn't. It does for me.

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since you keep saying Israel is involved.

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I think it's far more likely than not. Whatever your thoughts about Israel, I find it comically naive to believe that this was a two-person operation and it died with Epstein. I don't believe the administration's explanation for one second, so I'm left to wonder what sort of entity can make a government shut up. That's a short list.

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People on the right trying to defend or justify the DOJ’s handling of this are now saying that Pam Bondi really meant that she had a folder on her desk that was unopened and she wasn’t referring to a client list, which apparently never existed now.

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It’s pretty nuts. There’s only one logical conclusion to this shite. Trump, who was on multiple flights with Epstein, partied with Epstein and Maxwell, and was specifically named in testimony, was raping underage girls, probably along with Clinton, Dershowitz, the Prince, etc. They’re a bunch of pedo-rapists.

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No, I'm offering it as evidence. Along with all his other convenient connections, his baffling hire by Bear Stearns, etc. That evidence either adds up to something for you or it doesn't. It does for me.

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Right, "evidence", not proof. Got it. So it's evidence by association.

And yeah, the Bear Stearns hire WAS baffling. No one, myself included, is arguing that Epstein earned his way up the ranks. I can tell you with all honesty that I have no idea why they hired him. I can make guesses, but none of it really would make sense. He had no real skill, so propping him up doesn't make any sense, no matter how you look at it. But what does Bear Stearns have to do with Israel?

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I think it's far more likely than not. Whatever your thoughts about Israel, I find it comically naive to believe that this was a two-person operation and it died with Epstein. I don't believe the administration's explanation for one second, so I'm left to wonder what sort of entity can make a government shut up. That's a short list.

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Who said it was a two person operation, or that it died with Epstein? I didn't suggest any such thing. If you're referring to the official narrative being given, then yes, it's obviously ridiculous. But why is it "more likely than not" Israel behind this coverup, when he had connections with so many American elites, many of whom, if not most of whom, stand to lose everything if the information gets out.


It doesn't even have to be blackmail. It could simply be a bribe. We've seen what the power of money can do. And we know full well how our government and legal system has coordinated against Trump over the last decade. It isn't difficult for me to believe that we have moles in Trump's cabinet who are working to discredit him with this embarrassing nothing burger on Epstein.

I'm not saying that you are absolutely wrong, and that there is no chance that there is foreign interference. Despite my general support of Israel, I don't believe any country is without it's rats. But I also see a number of alternate possibilities that make more sense to me.