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re: The dad knew Ahmaud previously
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:01 am to jchamil
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:01 am to jchamil
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Quick search I found a case from the Court of Appeals of Georgia that looks to get into "immediate knowledge"; they said in that case that a store employee couldn't have immediate knowledge to perform citizens arrest on someone stealing a store patrons wallet. It looks like the court said the patron would be the only one who could have the immediate knowledge to perform the citizens arrest. If I get more time I'll dig more into that and related cases
Exactly. The McMicheals has no way of knowing why Ahmaud was on that property, even if he was on that property. Unless they actually saw him leaving the property with something they knew not to be his.
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Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:02 am to Stidham8
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I agree. If there's no footage or evidence of him trespassing/committing burglary then they will be convicted. But if he pops up on a security camera..
How would they know it to be trespassing or Burglary? They don’t own the property, they don’t have anyway of knowing why various people are coming and going..
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:02 am to buckeye_vol
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Nothing in his criminal history is especially bad (out of 2 incidents). Shoplifting is the worst, IMO, but there are a lot of people who had shoplifted at least once in their lives (most probably never caught) so it’s hard to use that as some evidence of anything.
Regardless his minor criminal history is irrelevant anyways.
Especially bad? This guy clearly had a problem respecting authority and the law.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:03 am to Stidham8
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If there's no footage or evidence of him trespassing
Trespassing will not be enough for them, I don’t believe.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:03 am to Turbeauxdog
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0/0 in Georgia based on the statutes posted, well anything can happen with a jury trial I guess.
I saw the statute, but it doesn't mention use of a deadly weapon in making a citizens arrest or at least I didn't see it. There are pretty strict laws about businesses apprehending shoplifters. I would think a citizens' arrest would have a pretty high threshold.
You are right though, it will depend on how the laws are interpreted and presented in court.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:04 am to Dawgfanman
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How would they know it to be trespassing or Burglary? They don’t own the property, they don’t have anyway of knowing why various people are coming and going..
i'm curious about the timing of all of this, especially with the 911 call
assuming that call happened after this incident, how did the shooters gain this knowledge quickly enough for (1) the 911 call to happen prior and (2) them to get their guns and truck together to catch the deceased? it seems the shooting wasn't that far from the location and he was jogging/running away
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:06 am to Stidham8
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The dad knew Ahmaud previously
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Rednecks in pickups chasing a guy through a neighborhood with guns isn’t “provoking?” Are you sure?
Stopping a guy that was potentially trespassing/robbing (we'll see with the security tape), trying to get him to stop until police arrived, and then firing only upon being charged at by said potential burglar you mean?
you just admitted they didn't even know. fricking idiot
LeTs ShoOt AlL tHe TresPasSers!
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 11:10 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:07 am to Stidham8
quote:Well trespassing wouldn’t be enough anyways. But even though there is no evidence of a burglary, as the homeowner has already admitted, I don’t even think that would be enough unless the shooters actually had the evidence of it themselves, not just “suspected it” since you can always “suspect” something, especially when it provides cover to assume the authority and duties of an LEO without the training and identifiers to minimize the potential for a bad outcome.
If there's no footage or evidence of him trespassing/committing burglary then they will be convicted.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 11:09 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:07 am to SlowFlowPro
Facebook?
Our neighborhood has a bunch of SAHMs who love to report on every person coming through the neighborhood.
Our neighborhood has a bunch of SAHMs who love to report on every person coming through the neighborhood.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:08 am to REG861
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you just admitted they didn't even know. fricking idiot
What? I admitted I don't know. I haven't seen the footage and wasn't there that day.
All we have to go on it speculation aside from the video itself where he charges at the man with the shotgun.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:08 am to buckeye_vol
All this talk of burglary, yet no mention of stolen items.
Weird.
Weird.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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the problem is a very common one with LEO, especially "forensics". when you have a pre-determined outcome, you can easily mold evidence to that end
have you seen the netflix show about the innocence project? watch the first episode with the junk science "bite mark" expert
Holy shite, that caption is amazing. I will definitely check it out. We had a forensic pathologist come talk to about stuff, and the actual science behind it was really interesting.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:10 am to buckeye_vol
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Well trespassing wouldn’t be enough anyways. But even though there is no evidence of a burglary, as the homeowner has already admitted, I don’t even think that would be enough unless the shooters actually had the evidence of it themselves, not just “suspected it” since you can always “suspect” something, especially when it provides cover to assume the authority and duties of an LEO without the training and identifiers to minimize the potential for a bad outcome.
"McMichael, a former Glynn County cop, told Glynn police he recognized Arbery, 25, from surveillance video that captured a recent burglary in his mostly white neighbourhood. He said he planned to make a citizen’s arrest."
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:11 am to Stidham8
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McMichael, a former Glynn County cop, told Glynn police he recognized Arbery, 25, from surveillance video that captured a recent burglary in his mostly white neighbourhood. He said he planned to make a citizen’s arrest.
Yeah? What was stolen?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:13 am to Stidham8
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"McMichael, a former Glynn County cop, told Glynn police he recognized Arbery, 25, from surveillance video that captured a recent burglary in his mostly white neighbourhood."
I know that's what he said, but I'm not certain that has been confirmed. If anything it looks more like that isn't really true considering the only real crime reported before that was a gun being stolen from McMichael's vehicle, and I don't think they have video of Arbery doing that
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:14 am to the808bass
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Yeah? What was stolen?
We'll see when it's released.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:15 am to fatheadgator
I don’t see how any of this matters. Let’s assume worst case scenario, the guy was robbing homes and making off with stolen property (even though there is ZERO evidence of that).
Even IF that were true, at the point where he is running unarmed away from you on city owned property ITS STILL MURDER IF YOU RUN HIM DOWN AND PROCEED TO SHOOT AND KILL HIM.
And again, all evidence points to him committing no crime whatsoever at the time of this incident
Even IF that were true, at the point where he is running unarmed away from you on city owned property ITS STILL MURDER IF YOU RUN HIM DOWN AND PROCEED TO SHOOT AND KILL HIM.
And again, all evidence points to him committing no crime whatsoever at the time of this incident
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 11:16 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:16 am to jchamil
This shite is pointless. We don’t know anything, all we have is a video. Let it go to trial and let the chips fall where they may.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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it seems the shooting wasn't that far from the location and he was jogging/running away
It wasn't. Satilla Drive is a dead-end. The house under construction must be at the end of the street, because that homeowner said he has footage of someone on the dock to the river behind the house. The elder McMichael saw Arbery running from Satilla toward Buford Drive north. They pursued him to Holmes Drive, when they saw him turn back toward Buford.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 11:19 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:19 am to the808bass
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Facebook? Our neighborhood has a bunch of SAHMs who love to report on every person coming through the neighborhood.
No kidding. If my neighborhood went out armed looking for suspicious individuals every time someone posted on the community page about some "suspicious" activity in the neighborhood it would look like the wild west.
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