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Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:44 am to Caplewood
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That we know of at this point. This comes back to how awfully handled this case has been
I’m not disagreeing, but the initial documentation makes no mention of it and the second DA , especially, would have loved to have that evidence. If the investigation was handled by independent 3rd parties, maybe we would have gotten answers, as the LE community in the area bungled pretty much everything associated with the case.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:44 am to TiketheMiger
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Not relevant though.
A guy with a horrible history of conduct and breaking the law isn't relevant. OK.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:45 am to Caplewood
if/when the DOJ investigates we will get a better picture
they're going to audit all communications about this case and others. unless the prosecutor and LEO were very careful (or just don't use technology), it's going to be bad for them
they're going to audit all communications about this case and others. unless the prosecutor and LEO were very careful (or just don't use technology), it's going to be bad for them
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:45 am to jchamil
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The best I can tell is that there is security cam footage of someone going through the house under construction on a day previous to this day, and then this day they saw Arbery running (or jogging) through the neighborhood and said that's the guy and started their pursuit
That doesn’t sound good for the defendants if true.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:46 am to Stidham8
It’s not relevant to a citizen’s arrest.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:46 am to Turbeauxdog
yeah i haven't looked up when the posted 911 calls were from, but if they weren't IMMEDIATELY prior to this incident, it ain't good for them
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:46 am to Stidham8
I believe the video is the same one the neighbor referenced in the article I linked. He doesn’t seem to share the opinion that it shows a burglary. Unless there is another video as well, which is possible.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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if/when the DOJ investigates we will get a better picture
Hopefully so
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:46 am to Stidham8
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A guy with a horrible history of conduct and breaking the law isn't relevant. OK.
Defense attorney can use whatever to try and paint a picture of his character.
He could have been caught shoplifting and stealing 30 times in his past, but they are going to have to prove the father and son had direct knowledge of him committing a felony on that day.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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when the DOJ investigates we will get a better picture
they're going to audit all communications about this case and others. unless the prosecutor and LEO were very careful (or just don't use technology), it's going to be bad for them
The DA was referencing covid in the memo, wonder how much covid excuse will be used if the doj gets involved.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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yeah i haven't looked up when the posted 911 calls were from, but if they weren't IMMEDIATELY prior to this incident, it ain't good for them
They were made while ahmaud was running down the street
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:47 am to Turbeauxdog
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That doesn’t sound good for the defendants if true.
That was their exact justification, according to the police report.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:47 am to the808bass
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You just lack the courage of your convictions. Join the Poliboard and go hunt some criminals today.
My convictions were expunged when I turned 18 over 30 years ago.
That said, ive been on the poliboard for about a decade and I can't imagine most of the posters being as fricking stupid as the McRednecks, just fricking stupid and now they are soon to be convicted murderers
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:47 am to the808bass
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It’s not relevant to a citizen’s arrest.
It's totally relevant when the defendants are painting the picture that this wasn't a spotless 25 year old.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 10:48 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:48 am to TiketheMiger
I don't think that police report helps the McMichaels. They chased him and he tried to run the other way and they boxed him in and jumped out to confront him. Even if he stole which has not been confirmed the proportionality of their response is not appropriate.
I live in a gated community and we have teens that have stolen and broken into vehicles. If I see a kid breaking into my truck and I get my gun, chase him down the street and get into a struggle and shoot him do I get convicted?
My guess would be 10/10 times I do.
I live in a gated community and we have teens that have stolen and broken into vehicles. If I see a kid breaking into my truck and I get my gun, chase him down the street and get into a struggle and shoot him do I get convicted?
My guess would be 10/10 times I do.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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yeah i haven't looked up when the posted 911 calls were from, but if they weren't IMMEDIATELY prior to this incident, it ain't good for them
They would have also needed to see the video or get a Matching description of the deceased to have a chance of saying it made sense to think this was the guy.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:49 am to SlowFlowPro
The statute uses the following language "if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge."
So "within his immediate knowledge" will be the relevant consideration it appears. That seems like it could be a tricky proposition for the father and son. For that standard to be met in this situation it would seem that the homeowner him or herself would need to perfect this citizens arrest. Otherwise, strong argument could be made that this was secondhand knowledge on the part of father and son.
So "within his immediate knowledge" will be the relevant consideration it appears. That seems like it could be a tricky proposition for the father and son. For that standard to be met in this situation it would seem that the homeowner him or herself would need to perfect this citizens arrest. Otherwise, strong argument could be made that this was secondhand knowledge on the part of father and son.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:49 am to Stidham8
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A guy with a horrible history of conduct and breaking the law isn't relevant. OK.
Is it open season on anyone with a criminal record? Or do they, like you have a right to walk the streets and when confronted by two angry armed men, defend themselves?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:50 am to BayouCowboy
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If I see a kid breaking into my truck and I get my gun, chase him down the street and get into a struggle and shoot him do I get convicted?
My guess would be 10/10 times I do.
0/0 in Georgia based on the statutes posted, well anything can happen with a jury trial I guess.
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