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re: The cops are looking worse and worse here
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:16 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:16 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
The problem with what you're saying is in almost all of these cases there is only one shooter. Columbine is an exception with 2 shooters. Don't pretend that this is some seal team type of event.
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:20 pm to Powerman
Just a guess, but I’d imagine universally accepted standard is to assume more than one perp until clearly shown otherwise.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:21 pm to Homesick Tiger
How long did it take to evacuate? What's their protocol? Were they able to relay that to the cops that had the sick son of a bitch barricaded in?
We don't know. Which is why we typically wait until all the facts come out.
Listen, if there was negligence when it's all said and done, I'll be right there as will everyone else asking for heads to roll. But until then it's a little irresponsible to keep parroting points when you don't have a clue what happened. No one does right now.
We don't know. Which is why we typically wait until all the facts come out.
Listen, if there was negligence when it's all said and done, I'll be right there as will everyone else asking for heads to roll. But until then it's a little irresponsible to keep parroting points when you don't have a clue what happened. No one does right now.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:21 pm to Homesick Tiger
Double post.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:21 pm to davyjones
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Just a guess, but I’d imagine universally accepted standard is to assume more than one perp until clearly shown otherwise.
Which seems to be a dumb standard based on historical stats. And heaven forbid we take out one of 2 shooters.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:21 pm to Homesick Tiger
How long did it take to evacuate? What's their protocol? Were they able to relay that to the cops that had the sick son of a bitch barricaded in?
We don't know. Which is why we typically wait until all the facts come out.
Listen, if there was negligence when it's all said and done, I'll be right there as will everyone else asking for heads to roll. But until then it's a little irresponsible to keep parroting points when you don't have a clue what happened. No one does right now.
We don't know. Which is why we typically wait until all the facts come out.
Listen, if there was negligence when it's all said and done, I'll be right there as will everyone else asking for heads to roll. But until then it's a little irresponsible to keep parroting points when you don't have a clue what happened. No one does right now.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:23 pm to PaperTiger
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But until then it's a little irresponsible to keep parroting points when you don't have a clue what happened. No one does right now.
Then why are they holding press conferences and telling what happened?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:24 pm to Dawgfanman
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Then why are they holding press conferences and telling what happened?
Damage control for a failed response by a bunch of clock punching cowards
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:27 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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Assume a 4-man stack along the wall with doors to the left. There are no windows at the door or in the door. 1st man moves beyond the door and holds at the door frame. Man 2 enters and has to make a decision based on what he sees in an instant - either button hook and proceed down the wall opposite of where they were just stacked or if the door is at the corner of the room, press down that side of the wall. Man 3 takes whatever path Man 2 did not. Man 4 holds on the other side of the frame as Man 1 holding rear cover. What we did (and it was a little cheesy) was Man 2 would shout out that his side was clear, Man 3 would then do the same, and they'd both shout "dominate" before filing out. So something like "LEFT SIDE CLEAR, RIGHT SIDE CLEAR, DOMINATE." Supposedly there are studies that show in an AS scenario, there's an intimidation benefit. I don't know. Then Men 2 and 3 would file out, reclaim their place in the stack and proceed down the hall. Usually Man 4 was a breacher, but in our AS drills we never used them in that fashion. He'd face the rear to keep ownership of the real estate while hanging on to Man 3's belt for a closed column. Man 1 holds front cover and proceeds to the next door, and so forth and so on. We also trained with a neighboring agency who would use Man 1 and 2 as entry, Man 3 became forward cover, and they'd rotate for each room.
Coming from an old Jarhead, I’d stack with you any day! We’d tear sum shite up!
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:27 pm to Powerman
To defend these bastards shows a total lack of awareness at best.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:29 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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But these officers have families to go home to and aren't interested in rushing anywhere to get shot.
If these officers’ families were at home getting shot at I wonder if they would be ok being told to stay back, someone who has their own family they need to get home to may or may not take care of it. Someone who accepts a salary to do that type of work probably would be mentally prepared to do that type of work, right?
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:30 pm to Powerman
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The problem with what you're saying is in almost all of these cases there is only one shooter. Columbine is an exception with 2 shooters. Don't pretend that this is some seal team type of event.
Dude STFU, what he just described is standard room clearing done by SWAT, straight leg grunts and even tier 1 operators!
Some you fricking idiots just need to zip it. About as bad as dumbass liberals saying AR stands for assault rifle and that the AR-15 vaporizes limbs.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:34 pm to Dawgfanman
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Then why are they holding press conferences and telling what happened?
Because people are impatient and want answers yesterday. They get the facts, and when verified, relay them to the public. Multiple agencies were involved so I'm sure that slows down the process.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:35 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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Dude STFU, what he just described is standard room clearing done by SWAT, straight leg grunts and even tier 1 operators!
Looks like you got your feelings hurt
I'm right. In almost all cases it's one shooter that almost definitely doesn't have the same level of skill with a weapon as the law enforcement officers. They have the advantage. They're just too much of cowards to use it. Everyone in the world knows this to be true except for a few people banging their head against the wall trying to defend these spineless cowards.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:36 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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Dude STFU, what he just described is standard room clearing done by SWAT, straight leg grunts and even tier 1 operators!
He described for the most part standard room clearing, which is what you do when the objective is to clear a room, or you string enough of them together to clear a building with follow-on support.
IF (and I don't know the details) there were actively shots being fired in an elementary school then hopefully the objective is no longer "clear this building by the book", it's "stop the shooter ASAP". If children being shot isn't an exigent circumstance, which is typically a reason to deviate from protocol, then exigent circumstances don't exist.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:37 pm to PaperTiger
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Because people are impatient and want answers yesterday. They get the facts, and when verified, relay them to the public. Multiple agencies were involved so I'm sure that slows down the process
They keep changing their story. They aren’t verifying facts before relaying them to the public. Any questions about their tactics and results are a direct results of the facts as reported by them. They could just choose to remain silent and get their shite together.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:38 pm to Powerman
The bootlickers are mad as hell today. Maybe if the shooter was black, unarmed, and reaching for their license, the cops would have something
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:38 pm to Powerman
The 2018 or 2020 case they reported on was 2 shooters. Said there was 2 kids and they would have done some serious damage if they would not have been stopped by LEO. I'm not sure how they caught them though. And that happened in Uvalde.
So if that happened in 2020, that's pretty fresh on everyone's minds to think there could definitely be more than one shooter. It's not that absurd to think so
So if that happened in 2020, that's pretty fresh on everyone's minds to think there could definitely be more than one shooter. It's not that absurd to think so
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:39 pm to Flats
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IF (and I don't know the details) there were actively shots being fired in an elementary school then hopefully the objective is no longer "clear this building by the book", it's "stop the shooter ASAP". If children being shot isn't an exigent circumstance, which is typically a reason to deviate from protocol, then exigent circumstances don't exist.
This seems obvious
But please refer to paragraph 3 on page 402 I guess
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:40 pm to PaperTiger
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So if that happened in 2020, that's pretty fresh on everyone's minds to think there could definitely be more than one shooter. It's not that absurd to think so
Yeah and maybe you'll win the Powerball next week but probably not. You go by the numbers
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