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re: Texas: Man Shoots Car Thief Dead…
Posted on 7/29/23 at 10:26 am to Toomer Deplorable
Posted on 7/29/23 at 10:26 am to Toomer Deplorable
quote:no, nothing like that. What crazy fantasy world are you inhabiting now?
You mean like LEO?
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Posted on 7/29/23 at 10:27 am to Toomer Deplorable
quote:
“Whether my brother was wrong or right,
Sick and twisted how people think these days. As if crime is victimless and an honorable vocation.
When justice is swift, the perps family always show their true colors..
And reveal the mentality that creates a criminal.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 10:29 am to Toomer Deplorable
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Police say the owner of the vehicle had every right to look for his stolen property.
I wouldn't have cowboy'd it like that, but the cops are correct.
Of course he also had the right to shoot to defend himself when the other guy shot first.
No way should or will charges be filed.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 10:31 am to Toomer Deplorable
quote:
every yahoo with a gun decide who lives and who dies, with no semblance of due process.
You mean like LEO?
The state and its legal system are his God.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 10:37 am to AggieHank86
quote:
no, nothing like that. What crazy fantasy world are you inhabiting now?
Separate and distinct from the world in which our nation’s increasingly militarized Police State is thought to be preferable to citizens asserting their natural rights to arm and protect themselves from criminal acts.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 10:40 am to AggieHank86
Well, the thief is dead, so shipping his corpse to Mexico would be a bit pointless.
Do you have some evidence that either the thief OR his brother would have been subject to deportation? That they are Latino, in a city that is 66% Latino?(Quote Aggie H)”. I was referring to the dead man’s Brother and female accomplice. Whatever we tolerate we get more of. That is a fact. If the Law don’t defend honest folk then vigilante justice should, must and will.
Do you have some evidence that either the thief OR his brother would have been subject to deportation? That they are Latino, in a city that is 66% Latino?(Quote Aggie H)”. I was referring to the dead man’s Brother and female accomplice. Whatever we tolerate we get more of. That is a fact. If the Law don’t defend honest folk then vigilante justice should, must and will.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 10:43 am to MilwaukeeKosherDills
quote:While the outcome here seems acceptable to me, there ARE potential problems (if law enforcement wants to give this guy problems).
I wouldn't have cowboy'd it like that, but the cops are correct.
Of course he also had the right to shoot to defend himself when the other guy shot first.
No way should or will charges be filed.
First, Texas law entitles him to use force (pulling the gun) to recover his property only if he is in "fresh pursuit." The fact that he found the truck at the same mall where he was eating is certainly evidence of "fresh pursuit," but it does not seem that he saw the theft and pursued the thief immediately. He found the truck by other means (GPS?). Arguably, that is not "fresh pursuit," depriving him of a statutory right to use the gun to detain the thief.
If he had no legal right to use the gun, his dominoes begin to fall. The unauthorized use of the firearm would arguably make him the "initial aggressor" in the confrontation with the decedent, negating a statutory right to rely upon "self defense." In fact, law enforcement COULD argue (along with the brother) that it was the thief who was exercising "self defense" because the truck owner had engaged in an unlawful use of force.
Again, I don't think that will happen (or that it should happen), but all of it is a possibility, if law enforcement decides to make his life miserable.
This post was edited on 7/29/23 at 10:49 am
Posted on 7/29/23 at 10:44 am to RCDfan1950
quote:So, you were suggesting "deportation" of two people who may be (as far as you know) American citizens?
I was referring to the dead man’s Brother and female accomplice. Whatever we tolerate we get more of.
OK.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 10:47 am to Toomer Deplorable
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“The guy who shot him is a vigilante, not a hero.
Sounds like he's both.
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A vehicle is not worth taking someone’s life
Why not? You take someone's vehicle, you easily can be taking their livelihood, how they feed their kids, get to the doctor, etc. You should expect deadly force when you seize the property of others, particularly major property.
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You don’t take the law into your own hands
Your brother certainly did. Not just the law, but he decided the man's constitutional right to property was void.
quote:
“Now my mom, my family, we all have to suffer and just deal with it.”
Talk to your brother about that at his grave site. He's the reason for your grief.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 10:55 am to Toomer Deplorable
quote:
Separate and distinct from the world in which our nation’s increasingly militarized Police State is thought to be preferable to citizens asserting their natural rights to arm and protect themselves from criminal acts.
Yep, you will either have to trust the State to protect you, or you have to protect yourself.
I have no faith in the State.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 11:03 am to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:
Man Shoots Car Thief Dead
quote:
He'll be tried for murder
Nah, not in Tejas.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 11:10 am to skidry
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This is such a bulkshit narrative being pushed today. It has nothing to do with a car. Private property is a pillar of civilized society, without it we are nothing more than intelligent livestock. The thief attacked the very fundamental of society and that, without question, is worth getting killed for.
When government abdicates its responsibility of keeping the peace and protecting property rights,
that vacuum will be filled.
And if you don't like how people fill it, then you shouldn't be for defunding police or a lax criminal justice system.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 11:12 am to POTUS2024
quote:
You don’t take the law into your own hands
Your brother certainly did.
"Firearms harm criminals, we must be enraged!"
This post was edited on 7/29/23 at 11:13 am
Posted on 7/29/23 at 12:50 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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A vehicle is not worth taking someone’s life
Taking someone's property is stealing the hours away from their family to work to earn the funds to pay for that property. They can never get that back.
Yes, it is worth taking someone's life. The question they should ask themselves is "Is this property that im stealing worth losing my life?".
Posted on 7/29/23 at 1:25 pm to Drizzt
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Jose, your brother was a piece of shite thief. Good riddance. Adios punta.
Seems most likely.
Wondering about parking around back and why?
This post was edited on 7/29/23 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 7/29/23 at 1:36 pm to tketaco
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Taking someone's property is stealing the hours away from their family to work to earn the funds to pay for that property.
Exactly.
Jose doesnt seem to understand that time spent earning that money is precious. Way more precious than the life of a thief.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 4:49 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Oh well, a nutter frijole greased
Posted on 7/29/23 at 5:01 pm to Toomer Deplorable
quote:
“Now my mom, my family, we all have to suffer and just deal with it
.” 
Posted on 7/29/23 at 6:44 pm to Toomer Deplorable
quote:
“The guy who shot him is a vigilante, not a hero. A vehicle is not worth taking someone’s life, I don’t care what kind of car it is. You don’t take the law into your own hands,” Garcia added. “Now my mom, my family, we all have to suffer and just deal with it.”
Obvious that stupid motherfricker came from the same gene pool.
What did he think about his brother taking the law into his own hands by defying it.
Stupid motherfrickers.
Play stupid games and find out.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 7:04 pm to wallowinit
Like me, he is a good shot.
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