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re: Teacher Suspended For Refusing To Affirm Children’s ‘Trans’ Pronouns Is Fighting Back
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:24 pm to Azkiger
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:24 pm to Azkiger
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As do selecting adjectives to describe students. If you can pick your pronouns, why can't you pick your adjectives?
Do you think you can call kids whatever adjective You want?
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Give me a break. If we aren't raising our kids to operate within a world where people might not agree with their own opinions of themselves we're committing child abuse by not preparing them for the real world.
So you’re advocating we teach kids at a young age the world is full of dickheads.
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Is refusing to participate in something that violates your religious beliefs the same as "projecting" your religious beliefs?
Would a Muslim teacher refusing to draw Muhammad be projecting their religious beliefs on students?
Calling a kid by the wrong pronouns absolutely is projecting on the kid.
Now if it’s just pronouns there is an arguement they never come up in front of the kid.
Does he use the right name? Does he put the correct girl or boys group? Those things directly effect the kid, and you can’t really argue otherwise.
I dont Think he should be suspended if all he did was voice his opinion about this.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 12:30 pm
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:33 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Being offensive isn't the same thing as being mean. People are offended by all sorts of things that aren't done for the sake of being mean. A lot of things are done in the name of kindness that result in offense, too. I've been browbeat over holding the door open for a woman before, for example.
To an extend. Calling a transgendered kid the wrong pronoun (although they’re all third person so how that actually comes up in front of the kid idk so that is a legitimate point) isn’t exactly kind. No matter how you want to spin it.
It's not mean to refuse to acknowledge a lie or to refuse to support a worldview that isn't based on truth.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:33 pm to SammyTiger
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Do you think you can call kids whatever adjective You want?
I don't see "he" or "she" as insults, they're not on par with the adjectives you're likely imagining up.
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So you’re advocating we teach kids at a young age the world is full of dickheads.
That's what your doing, though. You're advocating for teaching kids that anyone who disagrees with how they view themselves is a dickhead. You won't come across many people who will view yourself the way you do, people will disagree on some of your own self-assessments.
That's an unrealistic (and authoritarian) standard, and you're a dickhead for fooling children into thinking it isn't.
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Calling a kid by the wrong pronouns absolutely is projecting on the kid.
No, it's simply not participating.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:34 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Demanding that a teacher discard grammar, biology, and religious belief is projecting.
Calling a kid by the wrong pronouns absolutely is projecting on the kid.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:35 pm to SammyTiger
They're elementary school kids.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:36 pm to L.A.
fire up the go fund me
we need to kill this nonesense
show me your birth certificate junior...
oh, your name is Jack...and you're born a male
I will address you as Jack! thank me later ...because one day you'll want to kill yourself if I call you she/her
we need to kill this nonesense
show me your birth certificate junior...
oh, your name is Jack...and you're born a male
I will address you as Jack! thank me later ...because one day you'll want to kill yourself if I call you she/her
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:37 pm to El Segundo Guy
No kid in elementary school thinks he is the opposite sex unless the parents are freak progs.
Menta illness is a huge problem. The schools shouldn’t support it.
Menta illness is a huge problem. The schools shouldn’t support it.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:46 pm to Azkiger
1. If a gym teacher did the reverse you know you’re lose your shite. So it’s not about whether this is treating the kids poorly or not. It’s an issue of whether this is protected by the first amendment.
2. There is a pretty big difference in disagree with an opinion and refusing to acknowledge
Someone identify. To me it’s always been an issue of common courtesy. It’s why I call people I meet in public by their names and not just what I think Of them.
Yeah there is a lot about grammar school that’s unrealistic. They’re children. There is plenty of time to learn people don’t agree with you and some people won’t respect you based off their own preconceived notions.
Saying nothing is not participating. Using the wrong gender for the kid absolutely is.
2. There is a pretty big difference in disagree with an opinion and refusing to acknowledge
Someone identify. To me it’s always been an issue of common courtesy. It’s why I call people I meet in public by their names and not just what I think Of them.
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That's an unrealistic (and authoritarian) standard, and you're a dickhead for fooling children into thinking it isn't.
Yeah there is a lot about grammar school that’s unrealistic. They’re children. There is plenty of time to learn people don’t agree with you and some people won’t respect you based off their own preconceived notions.
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No, it's simply not participating.
Saying nothing is not participating. Using the wrong gender for the kid absolutely is.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:49 pm to SammyTiger
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Using the wrong gender for the kid absolutely is.
But see...it isn't the wrong gender. Stop denying science.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:49 pm to SammyTiger
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They’re children.
So, at what age is it unacceptable to push mental illness onto kids?
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gender for the kid
Biology be damned?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:49 pm to El Segundo Guy
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They're elementary school kids.
There are kids who go through phases like this for sure. And then they grow out of it.
I am Against gender hormones in young kids and gender reassignment surgery in children all together.
That being said, is it the Gym Teacher’s job to be the harass a kid out of this phase?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:50 pm to L.A.
Of course it would be a PE teacher. 
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:51 pm to SammyTiger
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Gym Teacher’s job to be the harass a kid out of this phase?
Good grief, can you stretch and manipulate this shite anymore? If you have to work this hard to defend, how in the hell can you not see how absolutely insane it is?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:52 pm to SammyTiger
You sure are all in white knighting for the feelings of a (singular) transgendered child.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:54 pm to L.A.
Good.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:54 pm to The Maj
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So, at what age is it unacceptable to push mental illness onto kids?
You’re opinion is it’s being pushed. And don’t get me wrong, I agree With you there definitely are over eager parents. I definitely Agree with you kids go through phases and they grow out of them. That being said, is this the best way to treat kids going through a phase? Or kids that actually are transgender?
Again, this isn’t an actual discussion if you believe no one is transgender and they’re all mentally ill. You are free to your opinion, but there isn’t really much discussion on this topic if that’s what you believe.
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Biology be damned?
I dont Think biology changes because we use the wrong pronouns. We invented language. We invented pronouns. We decide how to treat people.
Again, you’re ok treating someone like this because you think they’re crazy and this don’t deserve dignity.
That’s the end of the story. You can feel that way, but if you want to work in society and at a public school you may run into some issues.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:55 pm to Ag Zwin
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I’m not glad he’s using “Christian faith” as his justification.
I agree. If I was in his situation that would not have been my response. I'd have said 'I won't comply because I'm committed to logic and reasoning.'
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:57 pm to Zach
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I agree. If I was in his situation that would not have been my response. I'd have said 'I won't comply because I'm committed to logic and reasoning.'
You don’t have a first amendment right to logic in reason to get you out of being fired or suspended for disobeying your employers policies.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:57 pm to SammyTiger
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it’s being pushed
They are children, it is absolutely being pushed.
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no one is transgender and they’re all mentally ill.
In this case, the parents that are pushing this stuff on their kids are mentally ill. Sorry you cannot see that.
Again, what age is is acceptable to push mental illness onto kids?
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I dont Think biology changes because we use the wrong pronouns.
Holy shite, you are simply fricking nuts.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 12:59 pm to SammyTiger
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Does separation of church and state come into play the other way.
Is an oft misunderstood concept, has been wielded and protected horribly, and has directly lead to the insertion of Critical Race theory, gender, etc. into decision making processes.
Not the original intent at all.
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