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re: Teacher Suspended For Refusing To Affirm Children’s ‘Trans’ Pronouns Is Fighting Back
Posted on 6/8/21 at 4:46 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 6/8/21 at 4:46 pm to SammyTiger
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Meaning there likely are transgender kids.
Sure. Very few like I said.
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 4:50 pm to SammyTiger
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a public setting as a public employee? Big difference.
Can you show me where in the Constitution it says you lose your rights in a public setting?
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You have a right ro believe your Muslim students are going to hell, but you can tell them that at school.
That's not what the argument is based on. For a correct comparison the argument would need to be the school board ordered the teachers to tell their Muslim students that they were all going to Heaven.
Try not to use false or twisted arguments to justify a position.
So Sammy logs off and runs when faced with Truth.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 6/8/21 at 5:06 pm to SOSFAN
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Can you show me where in the Constitution it says you lose your rights in a public setting?
The first amendment banns establishment of religion which puts some restrictions on people acting in official government capacity.
Now that doesn’t mean you have no freedoms, but there are a lot of things you're completely free to do in your personal life that you can’t do as school if you’re a public school teacher.
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That's not what the argument is based on. For a correct comparison the argument would need to be the school board ordered the teachers to tell their Muslim students that they were all going to Heaven.
The problem with either comparison is that you can avoid doing either. But in this case unless he can completely avoid interacting with the kid he has to go one way or another.
I think The actual answer would be reasonable accommodations.
I think The test is a compelling government interest and whether the law is “neutral law of general applicability”
At least that’s what Scalia says.
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So Sammy logs off and runs when faced with Truth.
Jumped the gun, bitch.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 6/8/21 at 5:19 pm to SammyTiger
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Now that doesn’t mean you have no freedoms, but there are a lot of things you're completely free to do in your personal life that you can’t do as school if you’re a public school teacher.
So No the Constitution doesn't ban your rights in a public setting.
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problem with either comparison is that you can avoid doing either. But in this case unless he can completely avoid interacting with the kid he has to go one way or another.
Again you're trying to tapdance. You CANNOT avoid either if your BOSS gives you a order. The argument is do you have to follow that order if it violates your Constitutional rights and the court has ruled No in this case. He has his job back and will most likely win his lawsuit so really end of discussion.
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Jumped the gun, bitch.
We all know you logged off to " phone a friend" because you didn't know how to respond.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 6/8/21 at 5:22 pm to SammyTiger
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Otherwise and better adjusted the half lunatics on this board.
Except for the part where they’re struggling with their own biology. Sure.
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You act like all trans people have it easy, and had parents pushing it from when they were a kid.
None of that is related to what I said. People are horrific self-reporters of their own narratives. They will tell stories they didn’t experience as their own and genuinely believe that those stories happened. They will change narratives based on emotions and suggestion. In short, their own narratives regarding their sexual identity are not worthless. But you can see worthless from where they are.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 5:26 pm to roadGator
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Meaning there likely are transgender kids. Sure. Very few like I said.
Are there children more likely to struggle with gender dysphoria? Sure. What’s the proper response? Give them guidelines and help them make appropriate choices. Self-mutilation and denial of science isn’t a healthy choice, either physically or psychologically.
What do we do with kids who are predisposed to struggle with alcoholism? How about mutism?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 5:27 pm to SOSFAN
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So No the Constitution doesn't ban your rights in a public setting.
It definitely allows limits to it. Sorry bud.
Again being a public employee is not “in a public setting” there are tons of SCOTUS cases about the limits of the freedom of expression for public employees.
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Again you're trying to tapdance. You CANNOT avoid either if your BOSS gives you a order. The argument is do you have to follow that order if it violates your Constitutional rights and the court has ruled No in this case. He has his job back and will most likely win his lawsuit so really end of discussion.
Only if you think trial courts are where constitutional policy is made you ducking moron.
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We all know you logged off to " phone a friend" because you didn't know how to respond.
You talked shite and were wrong. And then you ignored everything to keep being wrong.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 6/8/21 at 5:30 pm to SammyTiger
Like I said the judge said you're wrong. The guy going back to his job says you're wrong. Not sure why you think you can debate that.
You didn't back up anything with facts just emotions...as always.
You didn't back up anything with facts just emotions...as always.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 5:34 pm to SammyTiger
quote:The University of Georgia has a TA that said white folks needed to die and he’s still on the taxpayers dime. We had a baseball player use the hard A and he was asked to leave campus. The rules are different for different people.
Now that doesn’t mean you have no freedoms, but there are a lot of things you're completely free to do in your personal life that you can’t do as school if you’re a public school teacher.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 5:36 pm to SOSFAN
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Like I said the judge said you're wrong. The guy going back to his job says you're wrong. Not sure why you think you can debate that.
Because of these things called appellate courts. You moron.
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You didn't back up anything with facts just emotions...as always.
Do I nees To list Supreme Court cases showing limitations on religion in public schools?
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 6/8/21 at 5:37 pm to UGATiger26
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disagreed with some of the things the ACLU fought for, at least they were consistent when it came to protecting individual's civil liberties.
Amen - I remember when the supported the rights for NAZIs to march in some town in Indiana many decades ago.
Scratched my head on that one and thought they were nutz.
now - screw em with a rusty tailpipe.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 5:45 pm to SammyTiger
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The transgender people ive talked to say they’ve always felt it.
Meaning there likely are transgender kids.
The clarity with which you make this statement is far beyond the clarity of some kids.
We think a lot of different things of ourselves growing up - we see ourselves differently throughout massive change. I went through a few stages of feeling "different," everybody does when group dynamics and social constructs are so in flux, and we have to constantly shift to figure that out.
But "feeling different," is SUCH a broad net and the proliferation of the internet, of media and celebrity status to enforce "being different" as very much complicated that picture and how it evolves. One might "feel different" because they're smarter than everyone else. They might "feel different," because they are richer, or poorer. But, since our society focuses on sexuality first and foremost - we reduce every "difference" down to gender and sexuality.
Without intervention, 99.99% of kids are and will be normal functioning adults of a known and recognized binary gender, and of known and recognized sexuality. Anything else is false and is created in the space that we've now allowed to open up. And that isn't a good thing.
We should support the .01% who have legitimate issues, and make sure to correctly support the 99.99% who will be ok and not force them into something, or open doors they don't need opened.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 6/8/21 at 5:49 pm to Freauxzen
I dont Think anything you’re saying is exactly wrong, but I also Think it’s clear from context how they felt.
Idk I think If you open doors kids might walk through but they won’t stay if it’s off.
We should t push kids through doors or lock the door behind them. Which I would Argue the hormones and surgery would do.
Which again, is why I’m against hormones in younger kids and surgery and minors.
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We should support the .01% who have legitimate issues, and make sure to correctly support the 99.99% who will be ok and not force them into something, or open doors they don't need opened.
Idk I think If you open doors kids might walk through but they won’t stay if it’s off.
We should t push kids through doors or lock the door behind them. Which I would Argue the hormones and surgery would do.
Which again, is why I’m against hormones in younger kids and surgery and minors.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 6/8/21 at 5:54 pm to SammyTiger
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Idk I think If you open doors kids might walk through but they won’t stay if it’s off.
We should t push kids through doors or lock the door behind them. Which I would Argue the hormones and surgery would do.
Which again, is why I’m against hormones in younger kids and surgery and minors.
But even the simple celebration of LGBTQ and Transgenderism will open the door and make it feel comfortable for them to stay. We should find other, less mass culture ways, to support people with legitimate issues.
We are creating problems from nothing and from general, and usually minor, "I feel different," situations. Those are usually pretty benign. ANd when we coddle and celebrate that more forcefully than other "differences," of course it can feel better.
You think a young, black kid who wants to be maybe a minister, and find his calling in God is equally celebrated to the young, black transgender kid?
Which one is different?
Which one is seen as a "hero," and as "brave?"
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 6/8/21 at 5:55 pm to Freauxzen
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But even the simple celebration of LGBTQ and Transgenderism will open the door and make it feel comfortable for them to stay.
Well if it’s comfortable…
Why shouldn’t they stay?
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You think a young, black kid who wants to be maybe a minister, and find his calling in God is equally celebrated to the young, black transgender kid?
In their community they definitely are.
They definitely don’t get kicked out of their houses or murdered at the same rate.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 6/8/21 at 5:59 pm to SammyTiger
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Well if it’s comfortable…
Why shouldn’t they stay?
Because human comfort is motivated by more than just "rightness,." We are motivated by pleasure and achievement and it can be pleasurable to stay there. Or the consequences of not staying there can be too culturally problematic.
Pleasure is a tricky thing that can trick our psyches into things we don't necessarily need. See any kind of non-biological dependency.
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In their community they definitely are.
For sure in the past, but not anymore.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 6/8/21 at 7:02 pm to SammyTiger
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If you want to tell me you’re ok with a gym teacher assigning your kid gender or that you think it’s ok for a gym teacher to only call
Your son a girl and refuse to stop when asked, let me know.
Assigning gender? You're giving a gym teacher too much power. He can say whatever he wants, my son or daughter still are whatever it is they are. Would you be this pissy with a coach who didn't think your child was as talented as they think they are?
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So let me know your opinion on said scenario.
I'd tell my child not to bother themselves with people who cannot tell men and women apart.
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I am ok with it not being my Kid’s grammar school gym teachers job to toughen up my kid.
Any other values you're delaying teaching your children? Don't give them chores, wait until their in high school, that's when you should start teaching them about work ethic...
Don't set boundaries until their 15, any sooner is just too soon. quote:
Saying something to someone you know will offend them solely so you feel correct is damn rude.
Back to that slow kid who wants to play ball. Don't tell him he's not quick enough because it'll 'offend him'.
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Common courtesy would be calling you sir if you identified as a man. A reciprocal politeness.
No, you are whatever you are. There's no identifying, and it's rude to expect people to bend reality to suit how you view the world.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 7:08 pm to SammyTiger
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Again, the hypothetical is that he is calling your kid a girl, and treating him like a girl: putting in with the girls for sports, things like that.
Why would a teacher call a child with a penis who says their a boy a girl?
How do teachers treat children differently outside of expecting them to use the proper bathrooms and be on the correct sports teams?
Why should a biological male be allowed to compete against biological females just because they play with barbies at home?
Just take the L and leave.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:05 pm to Azkiger
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Just take the L and leave.
ST can't except losing even though he has throughout this thread.
A easy fix to this whole thing is to just stop labeling everything girls or boys just label it xx chromosomes and xy chromosomes. Science tells you that can't be changed.
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