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re: Talarico. The Apostle Peter wrote about him back around 65 AD
Posted on 9/24/26 at 9:18 pm to Squirrelmeister
Posted on 9/24/26 at 9:18 pm to Squirrelmeister
2 Peter is widely accepted as authentic based on textual evidence and the tradition of the early church. I am sure you will find some saying it a late date but they are in error and it is not pseudepigrapha. It was written around 64-68 AD.
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Within 2 Peter itself there is strong evidence for authorship by the apostle Peter. In 2 Peter 1:1 the author claims to be “Simeon Peter . . . apostle of Jesus Christ.” Moreover, he claims to have been an eyewitness of the transfiguration (2 Pet. 1:16–18; cf. Matt. 17:1–8), an event where Peter is featured prominently in the Gospel accounts. If someone other than Peter wrote the letter under his name, as some scholars have claimed, it would be a case of deliberate deception, especially given the author’s claims to have witnessed the transfiguration. But there is no historical evidence in support of such a theory. Furthermore, writing in another person’s name was condemned among early Christians
Some have suggested that the literary style of 2 Peter, which differs from that of 1 Peter, indicates an author other than Peter. But Peter may have used a secretary to help write this second letter, which would not affect the genuineness of his authorship if he ultimately approved what was written.
Scholars have also questioned Petrine authorship of 2 Peter because of the similarities between chapter 2 of this letter and the book of Jude. But this is not a problem for apostolic authorship, since Peter may have included in his letter elements from Jude that he thought would be helpful for his readers. It also could have worked the other way, with Jude using Peter’s letter as his source. The parallels are close but almost never exact, so it is difficult to sort out the relationship between 2 Peter and Jude with any degree of certainty.
It is reasonable in light of all the evidence, and clearly supported by the claims of the letter itself, to conclude that the apostle Peter wrote 2 Peter.
Date
Peter probably wrote this letter from Rome not too long before his martyrdom, sometime during A.D. 64–67. Elements within the letter lead many scholars to conclude that Peter wrote during a time of persecution by Rome (perhaps during the persecution by Nero, who died in A.D. 68), while Peter himself was in a Roman prison awaiting imminent execution (cf. 2 Pet. 1:12–15). The dating of the letter, then, depends largely on the dating of Peter’s death.
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This post was edited on 9/24/26 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 9/24/26 at 10:58 pm to PastorJ
And you consider yourself a pastor? Your comments are that of a beginner seminary student yet to grasp the fullness of the gospel of Jesus. The fullness is not saved to heaven based on faith. It's not an evacuation plan. It's a starting point. A beginning of a transformation of the individual into the image of Christ and we collectively the body of Christ in the world, bringing about the kingdom of God on earth as it is in heaven, by extending mercy, caring for the poor. The law is written on our hearts. Our thoughts and behaviors become increasingly Christ-like as we mature in the faith.
Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? Verse 38: And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? Verse 39: And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ Verse 40: And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’
Sin for the saved thus is an awareness of what we should do, and choosing not to..
Talarico rightly questions the collusions of religious authorities and political figures... as should you. Unless you are one of these religious figures he's speaking to.
From the website you linked:
"On the one hand, we are troubled by the idolatry of personal consumerism and the politicization of faith; on the other hand, we are distressed by the unchallenged acceptance of theological and moral relativism. These movements have led to the easy abandonment of both biblical truth AND THE TRANSFORMED LIVING MANDATED BY OUR HISTORIC FAITH. We not only hear of these influences, we see their effects."
Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? Verse 38: And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? Verse 39: And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ Verse 40: And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’
Sin for the saved thus is an awareness of what we should do, and choosing not to..
Talarico rightly questions the collusions of religious authorities and political figures... as should you. Unless you are one of these religious figures he's speaking to.
From the website you linked:
"On the one hand, we are troubled by the idolatry of personal consumerism and the politicization of faith; on the other hand, we are distressed by the unchallenged acceptance of theological and moral relativism. These movements have led to the easy abandonment of both biblical truth AND THE TRANSFORMED LIVING MANDATED BY OUR HISTORIC FAITH. We not only hear of these influences, we see their effects."
This post was edited on 9/25/26 at 12:16 am
Posted on 9/25/26 at 12:02 am to GatorOnAnIsland
Jesus and God are not concerned about politics bro and never were. If you think that’s the false prophet you have never read anything in the bible.
Posted on 9/25/26 at 1:06 am to PastorJ
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2 Peter is widely accepted as authentic based on textual evidence and the tradition of the early church. I am sure you will find some saying it a late date but they are in error and it is not pseudepigrapha. It was written around 64-68 AD.
It's widely known among most biblical scholars to be pseudepigrapha. He's right.
It has a different style, it takes from the Epistle of Jude, meaning it was way too late. And the final nail is it refers to letters of Paul as "scripture" which didn't happen until after Peters death.
This post was edited on 9/25/26 at 1:07 am
Posted on 9/25/26 at 2:44 am to 3down10
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It's widely known among most biblical scholars to be pseudepigrapha. He's right.
False. Some hold this erroneous view but by no means "most." Michael Kruger has a detailed defense of the authenticity of 2 Peter in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society. There are many such, in fact I posted a link above which you did not bother reading because if you did you would see why...
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It has a different style, it takes from the Epistle of Jude, meaning it was way too late. And the final nail is it refers to letters of Paul as "scripture" which didn't happen until after Peters death.
...is a false statement. Here is another good article on it, which I am sure you not read either.
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Here is a link to the aforementioned work by Kruger that you won't read either:
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Posted on 9/25/26 at 2:49 am to biscuitsngravy
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And you consider yourself a pastor? Your comments are that of a beginner seminary student yet to grasp the fullness of the gospel of Jesus.
Ok. Feel better about yourself? I am actually a twice degreed pastor about to enter into a Ph.D program at a well known seminary. Not that it matters, don't let me get in the way you feeling superior and all. Go off, king.
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The fullness is not saved to heaven based on faith.
Oh boy, I just dealt with this nonsense in another thread. Are you two the same guy?
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Think what you want, be as anti-Gospel as you care to be. It's no skin off my nose. I am not really interested in endless debates with someone pushing heresy that has been rebutted and discredited time and time again. But you will not find much traction for Talarico in the Bible at all. On its face the things he says is foolishness. Reading him and your comments bring into mind Romans 1:22. With that I will observe Matthew 7:6 and practice Matthew 10:14
This post was edited on 9/25/26 at 3:05 am
Posted on 9/25/26 at 3:07 am to biscuitsngravy
Oh lawd, that is some heavy spin.
Paxton is a bit of a cad who does not have us fooled, but he's he's going to vote the right way and that is what matters. He will be representing me in government, not in church.
Talifreako has a lot of gullible people fooled. The poor dears think they are getting a disciple of Christ when what they really getting is a demonic charlitan.
Paxton is a bit of a cad who does not have us fooled, but he's he's going to vote the right way and that is what matters. He will be representing me in government, not in church.
Talifreako has a lot of gullible people fooled. The poor dears think they are getting a disciple of Christ when what they really getting is a demonic charlitan.
Posted on 9/25/26 at 7:01 am to PastorJ
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2 Peter is widely accepted as authentic based on textual evidence and the tradition of the early church.
Widely accepted amongst church-going Christians and confessional scholars (who work at institutions requiring a confessional statement of faith to be gainfully employed by the institutions). It is mentioned (2 Peter) by the church father Origen in the third century and he wrote that he doubted its authenticity.
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I am sure you will find some saying it a late date but they are in error and it is not pseudepigrapha.
Essentially all non-confessional (but still religious) and secular scholars including critical-text scholarship acknowledges 2 Peter to be pseudepigrapha (forged in Peter’s name). Actually, the same scholars say 1 Peter also could not have been written by an early to mid first century Galilean fisherman.
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it would be a case of deliberate deception
Duh! Nearly all Christian writings are forgeries or written anonymously. Ever did any research about the 40 or so other gospels of Jesus Christ that didn’t make it into the Bible? Even if you presupposed all four canonical gospels are genuine and accurate historical documents (they aren’t
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But this is not a problem for apostolic authorship
Problem? In critical scholarship there is no problem of the text not matching presupposed delusions of faith in an imaginary deity and the inspired authorship of scripture. That sentence about the problem says it all. This was written by an apologist, not someone who cares about actual history or what most likely happened.
Posted on 9/25/26 at 7:19 am to biscuitsngravy
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And you consider yourself a pastor?
Yes he does, why doubt it?
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Your comments are that of a beginner seminary student
You sound as if you went to the same seminary as Talarico.
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The fullness is not saved to heaven based on faith
Yes it is…..Are you a student at Austin Presbyterian Theological Seminary? Ephesians 2:8-9 .. “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast.”
You referenced .. ‘as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’
Christ is referring to the persecuted Christians ( My brothers) who have suffered for their belief in Christ. Taken out of context, is what Talarico believes being a “do-‘gooder” makes him righteous or a “good person”
But His brethren are saved to do good works for the ministry and the church by telling others about Christ. It’s not about taking other people’s money and giving it away to the poor.
Ephesians 2:10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.….. What kind of work?
Ephesians 4:11-12 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, …. What for ? ….12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up.
And for the lost … 2 Corinthians 5:18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: and
1 Peter 3:15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,
And helping the “poor” is good, but especially to those of the church Galatians 6:10 “Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.”
Talarico is a false covert/teacher preaching a false gospel of good works, from a reprobate seminary. Saying God is non-binary, saying all religions lead to the one God, supporting the murder of innocent baby’s … abortion on demand etc, etc etc and if he believes that being a “good person” saves him, which scripture says none are good except God, then he will be having a rude awakening after he takes his last breath on earth and will be judged for bastardizing the Word.
Posted on 9/25/26 at 3:07 pm to PastorJ
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False. Some hold this erroneous view but by no means "most." Michael Kruger has a detailed defense of the authenticity of 2 Peter in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society. There are many such, in fact I posted a link above which you did not bother reading because if you did you would see why...
It's not my opinion, it's just a fact that most biblical scholars acknowledge this. It even had trouble making the bible to start with.
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...is a false statement. Here is another good article on it, which I am sure you not read either.
Here is a link to the aforementioned work by Kruger that you won't read either:
Did you actually read your own links? Because the first one completely debunks your initial claim in the first paragraph.
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Most conservative evangelicals hold to the traditional view that Peter was the author, but historical and literary critics have almost unanimously concluded that to be impossible.
This post was edited on 9/25/26 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 9/25/26 at 8:58 pm to PastorJ
I'm not a saved by works guy. I'm a 'the creation is a wonder, beyond comprehension, i cant believe i was granted life, accepting Jesus indwelling of the presence of the lord, peace beyond understanding, joyful life in response, seeing Jesus in every face (rich, poor, brown, white, black)' guy. This is the gospel - the spirit poured out. God drawn near, permeating all things, yet also beyond space and time.
The radical reformation denominations, believing saved to heaven is the entire faith, whose image of God is an old white man judge in the sky, has become a heretical clanging bell. Worse, it's being co-opted for political purposes.
With that, agree, end of the discussion
The radical reformation denominations, believing saved to heaven is the entire faith, whose image of God is an old white man judge in the sky, has become a heretical clanging bell. Worse, it's being co-opted for political purposes.
With that, agree, end of the discussion
This post was edited on 9/26/26 at 9:26 am
Posted on 9/25/26 at 11:03 pm to biscuitsngravy
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Ok lol! Judge not, eh?
Familiarize yourself with this bit of St. Paul’s teaching found in his first letter to the Corinthian Christians, fifth chapter-
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I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world.
But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside.
Judge not is applicable to those outside the Faith. I don’t see a problem with a Christian calling out publicly a man trafficking his Christian faith for political gain or addressing his false-frankly blasphemous heretical-pronouncements concerning Christianity.
Posted on 9/25/26 at 11:32 pm to BaculumRubrum
quote:OG FrenchRevolution/Marx/Engles/Socialist/
Keep up stupid charades to oppress people.
Communist argument.
It pops up to support a bad intellectual argument (no God) with an emotional appeal (the no-God religion oppresses people).
It’s fostered an anti-Christian/religious hostility in socialist/communist countries that’s abetted and supported the persecution and murder of untold numbers of people of faith.
Posted on 9/26/26 at 6:57 am to 3down10
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It's not my opinion, it's just a fact that most biblical scholars acknowledge this. It even had trouble making the bible to start with.
But it did make it, and they have a radical non-historical dogma that the canon was divinely selected and that each book in the canon is divinely inspired and free from error. They have to “defend” their beliefs and show that “there is no problem believing in (XYZ) because it technically isn’t impossible”. To admit that 2 Peter wasn’t written by the apostle Peter means that they’d be admitting that humans selected the books and made the canon without inspiration (because God doesn’t make mistakes allegedly even though in the bible he makes loads of mistakes and experiences regret) and that the book isn’t divinely inspired. It’s a slippery slope for them because if 2 Peter is an uninspired forgery, how can the rest of the canon be trusted? So they have to defend their dogmas against all evidence and reason.
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Did you actually read your own links? Because the first one completely debunks your initial claim in the first paragraph.
He did not read the link he sent. He would have realized it says that confessional scholars (those who’s employment is tied to a “statement of faith” and who’s public opinions cannot contradict that statement of faith) hold the traditional authentic authorship view (they HAVE TO or they’re fired), but that those not bound to a statement of faith that are allowed to share their views on the reality of the subject nearly unanimously acknowledge it’s a forgery.
Posted on 9/26/26 at 8:24 am to GatorOnAnIsland
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2 Peter 2:1-3 ….. But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber
This is a perfect passage to describe him
Posted on 9/26/26 at 10:32 am to Mr. Misanthrope
Here are things done by Christians for mythological dude.
Persecution of Jews
Rhineland massacres (1096): Crusader bands on the way to the First Crusade killed thousands of Jews in Mainz, Worms, Speyer and Cologne.
Expulsions: Jews were expelled from England (1290), France (repeatedly, notably 1306 and 1394), and Spain (1492), where they had to convert or leave.
Blood libel and pogroms: False accusations of ritual murder (e.g., William of Norwich, 1144; Simon of Trent, 1475) led to massacres. Jews were also blamed and killed during the Black Death (1348–1351).
Spanish and Portuguese Inquisitions: These targeted conversos (Jewish converts and their descendants) suspected of secretly practicing Judaism, using torture and public executions (autos-da-fé).
Persecution of Muslims
The Crusades: One example is the massacre of Jerusalem's Muslim and Jewish inhabitants in 1099.
Forced conversion and expulsion of the Moriscos in Spain: Conversion was forced in the early 1500s, followed by mass expulsion from 1609 to 1614.
Persecution of other Christians (heresy and sectarian conflict)
Albigensian Crusade (1209–1229): A papally sanctioned war against the Cathars in southern France, including the massacre at Béziers.
Medieval Inquisition: It was set up to root out heresy and targeted Cathars, Waldensians and others.
Execution of reformers: Jan Hus was burned at the stake in 1415, and William Tyndale was executed in 1536.
Wars of Religion: The St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre of Huguenots (1572) is one example. The Thirty Years' War (1618–1648) was partly religious.
Persecution of Anabaptists: Catholics and Protestants alike persecuted them, often by drowning or burning.
Mutual persecution in England: Protestants were burned under Mary I, and Catholics were executed under Elizabeth I.
Salem witch trials (1692) and the broader European witch hunts: tens of thousands were executed from the 15th to 17th centuries.
Colonial and indigenous contexts
Spanish conquest of the Americas: Forced conversion was justified in part by religious mandate (e.g., the Requerimiento).
Goa Inquisition (1560–1812): Portuguese authorities in India persecuted Hindus, Muslims, Jews and converts.
Residential and boarding schools: In Canada, the U.S. and Australia, many of these were church-run. They suppressed Indigenous religions and cultures, and many children suffered abuse and died there.
Modern examples
Anti-LGBTQ violence and laws: Some have been justified by Christian rhetoric, for example Uganda's anti-homosexuality legislation, which some U.S. evangelical groups supported.
Lord's Resistance Army (Uganda): The group invoked a distorted Christian framing while committing mass atrocities.
Srebrenica massacre (1995): Bosnian Serb forces killed about 8,000 Muslim men and boys. Religious identity was intertwined with ethnic nationalism in the killings.
Persecution of Jews
Rhineland massacres (1096): Crusader bands on the way to the First Crusade killed thousands of Jews in Mainz, Worms, Speyer and Cologne.
Expulsions: Jews were expelled from England (1290), France (repeatedly, notably 1306 and 1394), and Spain (1492), where they had to convert or leave.
Blood libel and pogroms: False accusations of ritual murder (e.g., William of Norwich, 1144; Simon of Trent, 1475) led to massacres. Jews were also blamed and killed during the Black Death (1348–1351).
Spanish and Portuguese Inquisitions: These targeted conversos (Jewish converts and their descendants) suspected of secretly practicing Judaism, using torture and public executions (autos-da-fé).
Persecution of Muslims
The Crusades: One example is the massacre of Jerusalem's Muslim and Jewish inhabitants in 1099.
Forced conversion and expulsion of the Moriscos in Spain: Conversion was forced in the early 1500s, followed by mass expulsion from 1609 to 1614.
Persecution of other Christians (heresy and sectarian conflict)
Albigensian Crusade (1209–1229): A papally sanctioned war against the Cathars in southern France, including the massacre at Béziers.
Medieval Inquisition: It was set up to root out heresy and targeted Cathars, Waldensians and others.
Execution of reformers: Jan Hus was burned at the stake in 1415, and William Tyndale was executed in 1536.
Wars of Religion: The St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre of Huguenots (1572) is one example. The Thirty Years' War (1618–1648) was partly religious.
Persecution of Anabaptists: Catholics and Protestants alike persecuted them, often by drowning or burning.
Mutual persecution in England: Protestants were burned under Mary I, and Catholics were executed under Elizabeth I.
Salem witch trials (1692) and the broader European witch hunts: tens of thousands were executed from the 15th to 17th centuries.
Colonial and indigenous contexts
Spanish conquest of the Americas: Forced conversion was justified in part by religious mandate (e.g., the Requerimiento).
Goa Inquisition (1560–1812): Portuguese authorities in India persecuted Hindus, Muslims, Jews and converts.
Residential and boarding schools: In Canada, the U.S. and Australia, many of these were church-run. They suppressed Indigenous religions and cultures, and many children suffered abuse and died there.
Modern examples
Anti-LGBTQ violence and laws: Some have been justified by Christian rhetoric, for example Uganda's anti-homosexuality legislation, which some U.S. evangelical groups supported.
Lord's Resistance Army (Uganda): The group invoked a distorted Christian framing while committing mass atrocities.
Srebrenica massacre (1995): Bosnian Serb forces killed about 8,000 Muslim men and boys. Religious identity was intertwined with ethnic nationalism in the killings.
Posted on 9/26/26 at 10:34 am to Squirrelmeister
Excellent post..... very wise and exactly right.
This post was edited on 9/26/26 at 10:36 am
Posted on 9/26/26 at 10:50 am to Revelator
Is this referring to Trump? I remember Charlie Kirk saying Trump was divine, but he was like King David with the women.
Talarico is far closer to Jesus' teachings than Trump. Jesus had tolerance maxed out for people. Didn't tolerate sin. Also, he let people make that choice. MAGA likes to make the choice for people. That's not Jesus, that's Saudi Arabia.
Talarico is far closer to Jesus' teachings than Trump. Jesus had tolerance maxed out for people. Didn't tolerate sin. Also, he let people make that choice. MAGA likes to make the choice for people. That's not Jesus, that's Saudi Arabia.
Posted on 9/26/26 at 10:56 am to GatorOnAnIsland
The apostle Peter had zero clue outside of his small remote area and his vague comments have nothing to do with The United States of America.

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