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Posted on 12/18/25 at 3:50 pm to tiggerthetooth
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The only dumbasses in this thread suggesting trades for American youths are boomers who simply have no clue about anything anymore genuinely too far removed to understand where the trades are.
You are definitely the dumbass here if this is your take.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 4:06 pm to Errerrerrwere
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A higher percentage than the ones with _______ study degrees.
To be clear, you admit your original premise is absolute garbage.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 4:08 pm to Turnblad85
Look at all the trash college professor loons showing up in this thread. 
Posted on 12/18/25 at 4:10 pm to Turnblad85
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There are going to be a BUNCH of disgruntled former kids in a decade wondering where the hell these "amazing" jobs are. Hell, even right to this day its tough to get on as an apprentice for an electrician. Every kid that didn't go to college is trying to be a sparky.
There's going to be a bunch of digruntled dentists graduating with hundreds of thousands of dollars of student debt and finding out they'll have to slave themselves to corporate practices or setup their own little shop and do nothing but drill, fill, bill for 10 years to get out of all the accrued debt, interest, and trying to live their lives with the luxuries they imagined they would have. My fiancée teaches at the local dental school, $400k+ of debt with still more years to go is not uncommon amongst the current D2's and D3's.
Many won't make it.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 4:16 pm to Clames
2 bad decisions don't make a right one
Posted on 12/18/25 at 4:18 pm to Errerrerrwere
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Look at all the trash college professor loons showing up in this thread.
Far from it. But I'm disappointed you didn't tell me I was "melting" or having a "breakdown". You know, the usual drivel from someone who was immediately called out for a bullshite take.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 4:23 pm to udtiger
A lot of interesting thoughts in this thread. I’ve been pro trades for awhile and find some of the arguments against it interesting and has made me at least look again. It doesn’t really matter to me because I’m close to retirement and have no kids so it’s just a thought to pass the time.
One thing I’ll push back on…and I’m truly interested in the rebuttal. It concerns the debate about going into the trades and getting rich running your own company. Some have brought up how hard or rare that is. My initial thought is that if you’re not smart or motivated enough to find a lucrative path through the trades, you’re probably not going to set the business world on fire either after graduating from college.
I also don’t think the trades discussion is all strictly about plumbers and electricians. Most like me mean “something other than a four year degree.” There are a lot of options in the medical field from nurses to xray techs that have a wide range of education requirements to choose from. And don’t come with the debt of many “real” colleges.
I work in an office crunching numbers. If I lose my job tomorrow there is no telling when I would find something comparable. Someone with a clean record and not an obvious junkie with a learned trade (plumber or one of my medical examples) will have a much easier time finding jobs in any city they want. That’s a huge deal to me.
One thing I’ll push back on…and I’m truly interested in the rebuttal. It concerns the debate about going into the trades and getting rich running your own company. Some have brought up how hard or rare that is. My initial thought is that if you’re not smart or motivated enough to find a lucrative path through the trades, you’re probably not going to set the business world on fire either after graduating from college.
I also don’t think the trades discussion is all strictly about plumbers and electricians. Most like me mean “something other than a four year degree.” There are a lot of options in the medical field from nurses to xray techs that have a wide range of education requirements to choose from. And don’t come with the debt of many “real” colleges.
I work in an office crunching numbers. If I lose my job tomorrow there is no telling when I would find something comparable. Someone with a clean record and not an obvious junkie with a learned trade (plumber or one of my medical examples) will have a much easier time finding jobs in any city they want. That’s a huge deal to me.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 4:48 pm to lsu777
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1) it shouldnt be for the smart kids because you are damning them to a lifetime of back breaking labor until they decide to go into a different part of the field or a different field all together
No one ever moves from the field to the office? No one ever goes to college later on in life if they so choose? Who's saying they should have the exact same job throughout their life?
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2) you are around terrible people all day, especially if not industrial. poor arse people with poor outlooks on things
Let me introduce you to the tech world; plenty of misery if you're looking for it and there's a 25% chance they smell like arse.
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3) its not that you will be wrong caste...but you will be poor
What do you consider poor?
Posted on 12/18/25 at 5:16 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:Did some blue-collar dude bone your wife or something?
tiggerthetooth
You sure do look down your nose at the people who keep our infrastructure running.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 5:36 pm to udtiger
False.
We can't base our economy off of resource extraction (i.e. oil) and maintaining each other's houses. That's what the economy of a colony looks like, not the economy of an empire or even of a free people.
We can't base our economy off of resource extraction (i.e. oil) and maintaining each other's houses. That's what the economy of a colony looks like, not the economy of an empire or even of a free people.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 5:40 pm to Gimme Vaughn
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This model is used in Finland (who has an amazing education system). Students that are going into trades and such are in a completely different set of classes that those that are going on to college. I wrote a paper over this when getting my masters.
We aren't even committed to nurturing the truly gifted because it's unfair.
You think we will segregate kids in middle school and doom them to lower middle class?
I will bet that tons of posters on here either said that either themselves or one of their children was a "bad test taker but is actually smart" (some version of that meme). I'm not talking about those doomed for trades. I'm talking about the people who went to college and are professionals and consider themselves smart. Those people would have been forced into the trades and they only support this sort of policy in the abstract as long as it doesn't affect them or their children.
This post was edited on 12/18/25 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 12/18/25 at 5:42 pm to udtiger
How about parents telling their own children to consider trades?
Posted on 12/18/25 at 8:28 pm to Turnblad85
Life is what you put into it, more are millionaires by owning trailer parks than are doctors and engineers.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 8:33 pm to udtiger
One thing I would like to see is these car companies open up mechanic schools with a pathway to a job there.
Maybe they already do this but I’d rather go to a nice ford campus with actual job prospects than the shitty poly tech school in my hometown.
Maybe they already do this but I’d rather go to a nice ford campus with actual job prospects than the shitty poly tech school in my hometown.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 8:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You think we will segregate kids in middle school and doom them to lower middle class?
People go to college and are still doomed to this.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 8:59 pm to Clames
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Life is what you put into it,
well then we should encourage every highschooler to go work fastfood so they can eventually own a franchise and from there own a company owns franchises.
Its about setting a young person up on the most direct path to success. Not, "maybe you'll be one of the rare exceptions and succeed in this business".
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more are millionaires by owning trailer parks than are doctors and engineers.
Have no clue what clown hat you pulled this stat out of.
Posted on 12/18/25 at 9:24 pm to udtiger
LP schools have two HS degree options: One that gets you the required credits for attending college, and another that gets you on your way to a trade school career
Posted on 12/18/25 at 9:30 pm to BayouBengal51
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Without the trades, Doctors, Engineers, AI Developers, etc have no place to conduct business. Someone in the trades has to build out infrastructure and support it for any work to get done.
The world needs ditch diggers and I for one am glad that #MAGA is stepping up and volunteering their kids for this role.
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