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re: Supreme Court Set To End Era Of Nationwide Judicial Injunctions

Posted on 5/14/25 at 7:34 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/14/25 at 7:34 pm to
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The parents were permanent legal residents


They were not. That distinction did not exist at the time of the ruling and it ignores the entire discussion of what subject to the jurisdiction means. As I said, the Supreme Court would have to ignore the ruling entirely

Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 5/14/25 at 7:57 pm to
ACB will vote with the left or recuse herself
This post was edited on 5/14/25 at 7:58 pm
Posted by NorCali
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:07 pm to
Why does anyone think that one branch of government is going to limit their own power? We are asking a court to limit the power of the judiciary. Has the legislative or executive branch ever limited themselves or were forced to by the other branches?

So prediction is this case will have a ruling that is very narrow in scope if the Executive side wins, but does not result in broad changes. At which point another branch will have to step up and eliminate these courts (I don’t think that is going to happen either).

I hope I am wrong because this level of checks and balances seems misaligned with the intent of the constitutional convention
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80001 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:14 pm to
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As I've been saying....you were lying claiming to be conservative
It's sad that an adult, as I presume you are, can't tolerate an opinion that is contrary to yours like SFP''s. You are relatively new to the board and have proven yourself to be nothing but a boring, emotionally sensitive puss. For whatever reason you have focused on me at times and created a fiction in your synaptically bereft mind that your characterization of me has plenty of square footage to live rent-free.

The thing is, we probably agree on 95% of the issues but you are an embarrassment to my side. You are one of our useful idiots. Just vote and keep quiet.
This post was edited on 5/15/25 at 6:03 am
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
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Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:20 pm to
When would this ruling come out?
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
15221 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:23 pm to
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once they fix this, its WAR on teh fricking lame arse do-nothing congress to codify trump's EOs


Congress doesn't have to codify EOs. Unless challenged by the judiciary or repealed, they become part of federal Code of regulations.
This post was edited on 5/14/25 at 8:44 pm
Posted by cajunandy
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2015
893 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:26 pm to
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They were no


Call them whatever you want, but they were in the US legally, unlike those subject to the EO.

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As I said, the Supreme Court would have to ignore the ruling entirely



Read the Amicus Curiae brief from Members of Congress to see why that is wrong.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:30 pm to
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The fact the USSC picked this case makes it hard for me to imagine THIS is the case they'd want to use
It would be stunning if a branch of government voluntarily clipped its own wings. I certainly don't expect that.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:31 pm to
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Call them whatever you want, but they were in the US legally,


How can Congress override a constitutional amendment?

The status-based argument is nothing more than arguing that Congress can create a status that removes a person from constitutional protection and I don't see how that can be

This is all also ignoring the entire discussion about subject to the jurisdiction that the court went into excruciating detail to describe

In what way does legal status change the analysis given by the court as to what those words mean? Their definition is exclusive to effectively 3 groups, neither of which have anything to do with legal status in terms of immigration or presence.
This post was edited on 5/14/25 at 8:31 pm
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37353 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:31 pm to
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its WAR on teh fricking lame arse do-nothing congress to codify trump's EOs

They don’t have the votes. The house majority is non-existent and the filibuster prevents almost everything substantive in the Senate for the foreseeable future.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
15060 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:32 pm to
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The woke soro's/obama justices will just ignore the Supreme Court
And Trump should, subsequently, ignore them!
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37353 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:33 pm to
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The fact the USSC picked this case makes it hard for me to imagine THIS is the case they'd want to use, with the plainly illegal status of the EO and the drastic impact non-injunction would create. Both the Likelihood of Irreparable Harm and Likelihood of success standards are clearly met with this particular EO. The more lesser, less established cases? Those seem like much better opportunities to address the issue.

I think they’ll leave that specific injunction alone, but establish a framework restricting nationwide injunctions in the process.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37353 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:34 pm to
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Only a constitutional amendment can eliminate birthright citizenship?

Absent an opinion from SCOTUS saying that the 14th doesn’t grant it, yes.
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
15718 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:37 pm to
SlowFag: “the Supreme Court will rule against Trump”

Supreme Court rules in favor of Trump…

SlowFag: “I said all along theyd rule in Trump’s favor”
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37353 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:37 pm to
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The “do-nothing” Congress is working on the big beautiful bill. They have said this a million times times since November of last year Why is this so fricking hard for people to comprehend this?

The big beautiful bill won’t pass. That’s the issue. They aren’t doing anything if it doesn’t pass.

It’s not a precedent we want to set anyway. Congress needs to return to regular order. Every POTUS cramming their entire agenda into a huge reconciliation bill is fricking retarded. Omnibus bills are terrible.

We need a constitutional amendment requiring single issue legislation.
Posted by FLTech
he/won
Member since Sep 2017
28270 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:45 pm to
We don’t have time to do individual bills. That will drawl out for years/ this is why we need the one big bill. Cram everything into it

And yes it will pass because if it doesn’t, another Democrat or RINO will never get elected again.
This post was edited on 5/14/25 at 8:47 pm
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115467 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:47 pm to
Problem is judges will rubber stamp nationwide plaintiff classes to evade any restrictions SCOTUS may impose.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37353 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:49 pm to
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We don’t have time to do individual bills. That will drawl out for years/ this is why we need the one big bill. Cram everything into it

And it won’t pass.

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And yes it will pass because if it doesn’t, another Democrat or RINO will never get elected again.

This is what overplaying your hand looks like. There is plenty of bad policy in that bill that will prevent the good parts from passing.

Primary whoever you want, but there isn’t an avenue to 60 Senate seats in 2026. The GOP can gain a seat or two, but in the House it will be a challenge to keep the majority at all, much less significantly increase it. Without Trump on the ballot, MAGA congressional candidates do not perform well.
This post was edited on 5/14/25 at 8:52 pm
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167564 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:53 pm to
I think this is a huge presumption. Roberts speaking tour is certainly not pro Trump. Look what he did for Obama regarding expensive ObamaCare.

He goes to far too many DC cocktail parties to want to save our judicial system while he appointed Boasberg to the FISA court.

It is a jinx to even presume this.
Posted by Genghis Khan
Mongolia
Member since Nov 2008
1706 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:54 pm to
Alex, I will take ‘things that are not going to happen’ for $1000

Trump continues to be a disruptor w/o the support of Republicans in the House and Senate. Not sure why they are acting this way. It’s clear they see Trump as a temporary speed dump.
This post was edited on 5/15/25 at 1:37 am
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