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re: Supreme Court being formally asked to overturn Obergefell; gay marriage will fall
Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:12 am to SuperSaint
Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:12 am to SuperSaint
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What the frick is wrong with people?
He looks more ridiculous without it....
[/img]Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:13 am to aubie101
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Worth it,
Debatable
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republicans are useless anyway so what’s the point of getting them elected so they can just do more crap that we didn’t vote for. Gay marriage is an abomination.
All of this is correct though.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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Obergfell is based on a few cases that established the reasoning, so the question becomes if it falls, do Loving and Griswold also get reversed?
I object to you lumping interracial marriages in with the gays. It's gross.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:15 am to Gdellinger
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Wait so gay marriages will be illegal and grounds for persecution?
Doubtful (especially the grounds for persecution part). If anything it would likely mean gay marriages are simply no longer recognized by the federal government under the 14th Amendment. This mainly comes into play with things like filing taxes jointly.
After that, there's the Respect for Marriage Act which requires states to recognize valid marriages performed in other states, even if they don’t align with local laws (same-sex marriages, for example), though states aren’t forced to issue such licenses themselves.
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Will it go back to the states and be legal in some states and illegal in others?
Possibly. The state level issues will likely be more important as that gets into assumed legal responsibilities which come along with marriage like inheritance, healthcare directives, marital property, etc.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:18 am to ThuperThumpin
I disagree. He just looks like a short bald nerd without it. He looks like a complete weirdo with it.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:24 am to td01241
The government should not be in the marriage business. The government should recognize civil unions and leave marriage to the churches
Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:26 am to Saint Alfonzo
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I object to you lumping interracial marriages in with the gays. It's gross.
In terms of legal arguments, they literally relied on the same rhetoric/justifications.
Here are some excerpts from the ruling
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Applying these established tenets, the Court has long held the right to marry is protected by the Constitution. In Lovingv. Virginia, 388 U. S. 1, 12 (1967) , which invalidated bans on interracial unions, a unanimous Court held marriage is "one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men." The Court reaffirmed that holding in Zablockiv. Redhail, 434 U. S. 374, 384 (1978) , which held the right to marry was burdened by a law prohibiting fathers who were behind on child support from marrying. The Court again applied this principle in Turnerv. Safley, 482 U. S. 78, 95 (1987) , which held the right to marry was abridged by regulations limiting the privilege of prison inmates to marry. Over time and in other contexts, the Court has reiterated that the right to marry is fundamental under the Due Process Clause.
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Still, there are other, more instructive precedents. This Court's cases have expressed constitutional principles of broader reach. In defining the right to marry these cases have identified essential attributes of that right based in history, tradition, and other constitutional liberties inherent in this intimate bond. See, e.g., Lawrence, 539 U. S., at 574; Turner, supra, at 95; Zablocki, supra, at 384; Loving, supra, at 12; Griswold, supra, at 486.
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A first premise of the Court's relevant precedents is that the right to personal choice regarding marriage is inherent in the concept of individual autonomy. This abiding connection between marriage and liberty is why Loving invalidated interracial marriage bans under the Due Process Clause. See 388 U. S., at 12; see also Zablocki, supra, at 384 (observing Loving held "the right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals"). Like choices concerning contraception, family relationships, procreation, and childrearing, all of which are protected by the Constitution, decisions concerning marriage are among the most intimate that an individual can make. See Lawrence, supra, at 574. Indeed, the Court has noted it would be contradictory "to recognize a right of privacy with respect to other matters of family life and not with respect to the decision to enter the relationship that is the foundation of the family in our society." Zablocki, supra, at 386.
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There is dignity in the bond between two men or two women who seek to marry and in their autonomy to make such profound choices. Cf. Loving, supra, at 12 ("[T]he freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State").
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Yet while that approach may have been appropriate for the asserted right there involved (physician-assisted suicide), it is inconsistent with the approach this Court has used in discussing other fundamental rights, including marriage and intimacy. Loving did not ask about a "right to interracial marriage"; Turner did not ask about a "right of inmates to marry"; and Zablocki did not ask about a "right of fathers with unpaid child support duties to marry." Rather, each case inquired about the right to marry in its comprehensive sense, asking if there was a sufficient justification for excluding the relevant class from the right.
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Like Loving and Zablocki, these precedents show the Equal Protection Clause can help to identify and correct inequalities in the institution of marriage, vindicating precepts of liberty and equality under the Constitution.
You cannot logically separate Loving from Obergefell
Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:28 am to TwoFace
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Just in time to frick up midterms.
You think we lose Mickey Goldsomething’s vote?
Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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In terms of legal arguments, they literally relied on the same rhetoric/justifications.
I don't care. Interracial marriages are between a man and a woman. The gays, and you, can frick right off.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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You cannot logically separate Loving from Obergefell
Yes, you can.
One is based on/addresses immutable characteristics of race, but upholds the traditional ideal of male-female marriage.
If the Loving plaintiffs were both men (or both women) you would not have had the same outcome.
This post was edited on 8/11/25 at 10:35 am
Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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so the question becomes if it falls, do Loving and Griswold also get reversed?
Loving has no relevance to obergefell despite kennedys inane ramblings.
Griswold is trash and should be overturned.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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You cannot logically separate Loving from Obergefell
I think I can logically say that sleeping with a black lady is significantly more moral than two men having sex.
It’s weird you equate the two.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:30 am to td01241
Yes. Because this is the core of all of our problems. Why in TF is anyone focusing on this now?
ETA: never mind. No way the SCOTUS is taking this crazy lady’s case up.
ETA: never mind. No way the SCOTUS is taking this crazy lady’s case up.
This post was edited on 8/11/25 at 10:56 am
Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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You cannot logically separate Loving from Obergefell
You cannot logically enjoin the two.Kennedy certainly failed to do so.
And no this isn't some revisionist shite. I literally argued how insane it was to use loving for obergefell when the case was before the court , because it is.
This post was edited on 8/11/25 at 10:36 am
Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:34 am to TwoFace
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Just in time to frick up midterms.
Purposeful, planned, and very orchestrated.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:36 am to BigTigerJoe
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Just in time to frick up midterms.
Purposeful, planned, and very orchestrated.
Not necessarily.
A lot (and I mean A LOT) of gay marriages have ended in very very messy divorces. You are going to have a sizeable number that would be happy to see it go away to avoid such demand from future partners.
This post was edited on 8/11/25 at 10:54 am
Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:36 am to td01241
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Supreme Court being formally asked to overturn Obergefell; gay marriage will fall
Not going to happen.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:40 am to Penrod
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If scotus retracts gay marriage protection congress will pass, and Trump will sign, a bill legalizing it.
Would be as unconstitutional as obergefell.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:40 am to td01241
I would put good money on certiorari being denied in this case. Yes, Obergfell is based on some very strange reasoning, but the case is not that old, and stare decisis will hold sway, at least for a while.
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