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re: Suit: Michigan transgender inmate placed in cell with convicted rapist, sexually assaulted
Posted on 3/4/21 at 11:09 am to hawkeye007
Posted on 3/4/21 at 11:09 am to hawkeye007
quote:
you guys are chearing on Rape. plain and simple
As others have said, it's prison!
I have no worry in this world of being raped in prison because I never have been to prison and never will go to prison! Maybe if these people don't want to be raped in prison, don't put yourself there!
No sympathy at all!!
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Posted on 3/4/21 at 11:12 am to idlewatcher
I'm totally confused by this story.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 11:33 am to BamaMamaof2
quote:So, you see forcible rape by other inmates as just being a part of the sentence handed down by the Court at your sentencing hearing.
As others have said, it's prison!
I have no worry in this world of being raped in prison because I never have been to prison and never will go to prison! Maybe if these people don't want to be raped in prison, don't put yourself there!
No sympathy at all!!
OK.
Odd that they forgot to include that in the sentencing documents.
This post was edited on 3/4/21 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 3/4/21 at 11:41 am to AggieHank86
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Do you contend that it is a GOOD idea to take a person who acts, looks and dresses female (regardless of X-chromosome count) and put that person in a locked cell with a person previously-convicted of raping and killing females?
Regardless of how one feels about MTF transgenders, that strikes me as a recipe for disaster.
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I suspect that most MTF transgenders think that they should be sent to female prisons, as opposed to getting a prison of their own.
You did not seem to offer a solution here, unless it was that the MTF prisoner should be placed with biological females?
What then of the safety of the biological females placed with a biological male in a prison cell?
Posted on 3/4/21 at 11:46 am to idlewatcher
I'm going to hell for laughing at this.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 11:48 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:I don't pretend to have the wisdom to PROVIDE a one-size-fits-all solution to the problem. It seems to me that we are left with trying to find the "better" of two solutions that we all know (going in) to be sub-optimal.
You did not seem to offer a solution here, unless it was that the MTF prisoner should be placed with biological females?
What then of the safety of the biological females placed with a biological male in a prison cell?
Posted on 3/4/21 at 11:48 am to AggieHank86
quote:
I suspect that most MTF transgenders think that they should be sent to female prisons, as opposed to getting a prison of their own.
Do you realize they can be raped in a women's prison too?
Posted on 3/4/21 at 11:51 am to PsychTiger
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So, a man raped another man in prison?
Seems to be the case.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 11:54 am to AggieHank86
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I don't pretend to have the wisdom to PROVIDE a one-size-fits-all solution to the problem. It seems to me that we are left with trying to find the "better" of two solutions that we all know (going in) to be sub-optimal.
Which is the better solution?
In either case, you seem to be placing at least one person at greater risk, right? Unless there is going to be a third option, which is the creation of yet even more prisons to accommodate MTF and FTM transgenders, something I don't think anyone is going to support...except for profit prisons.
FWIW, I can't see placing a female inmate at risk my placing a man in her cell as being the less harmful option here.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 11:55 am to idlewatcher
I need to know the races of the participants in this scenario so I can achieve the appropriate level of outrage
Posted on 3/4/21 at 11:55 am to AggieHank86
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I suspect that most MTF transgenders think
Stopped reading here
Posted on 3/4/21 at 12:02 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:I don't see EITHER cookie-cutter solution as being optimal. If you send every XY who claims to be a woman to the woman's prison, you will lots of XYs claiming to be women (for the first time) and you will get rapes and (more likely) pregnant inmates from consensual encounters. If you send every XY who claims to be a woman (after having lived as a woman for years, as an example), you will get rapes.
Which is the better solution?
The only real solution I see is that anyone claiming to be transgender would be entitled to a hearing to determine which prison system is the best fit for that person. Of course, there will STILL be rapes, because mistakes will be made and because ... rape is not entirely sexual in nature.
You would have to statutorily provide the presiding officer at those hearings with civil and criminal immunity arising from that decision and from potential harm to the inmate in question.
Sure, you COULD just have a third and/or fourth prison system, but the problem is small-enough that I just do not see THAT solution as being remotely cost-effective.
This post was edited on 3/4/21 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 3/4/21 at 12:05 pm to AggieHank86
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I don't see EITHER cookie-cutter solution as being optimal. If you send every XY who claims to be a woman to the woman's prison, you will lots of XYs claiming to be women (for the first time) and you will get rapes and (more likely) pregnant inmates from consensual encounters. If you send every XY who claims to be a woman (after having lived as a woman for years, as an example), you will get rapes.
The only real solution I see is that anyone claiming to be transgender would be entitled to a hearing to determine which prison system is the best fit for that person. Of course, there will STILL be rapes, because mistakes will be made and because ... rape is not entirely sexual in nature.
You would have to statutorily provide the presiding officer at those hearings with civil and criminal immunity arising from that decision and from potential harm to the inmate in question.
Sure, you COULD just have a third and/or fourth prison system, but the problem is small-enough that I just do not see THAT solution as being remotely cost-effective.
Yup...I can agree with all of that.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 12:15 pm to idlewatcher
duh -- hey dipshit woman = if you don't want to be in a jail with a criminal male rapist, I got 2 surefire cures for you.
- don't get convicted of felony crimes
- don't demand to be treated as a male
Either of them will work = and both together may even lead to a productive life.
dipshit.
- don't get convicted of felony crimes
- don't demand to be treated as a male
Either of them will work = and both together may even lead to a productive life.
dipshit.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 12:17 pm to idlewatcher
That's sort of what a lot of prisoners do. They rape others.
I've always thought that more actions should be taken to eliminate prison rape. It's bullshite that a dude in prison for a drug offense or money laundering, etc.. should also deal with the high risk of being raped.
This article pisses me off because countless inmates are being raped everyday, but it only gets attention when a transgender is raped?
I've always thought that more actions should be taken to eliminate prison rape. It's bullshite that a dude in prison for a drug offense or money laundering, etc.. should also deal with the high risk of being raped.
This article pisses me off because countless inmates are being raped everyday, but it only gets attention when a transgender is raped?
Posted on 3/4/21 at 12:25 pm to idlewatcher
He's a he, not a she. 
Posted on 3/4/21 at 12:32 pm to PsychTiger
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Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
How many of you will keep this little phrase close to your heart when you go to jail for thought crimes?
Posted on 3/4/21 at 12:39 pm to idlewatcher
Pour-on the downvotes, but I see forcible prison rape as falling into the (unconstitutional) category of "cruel and unusual punishment," especially if we treat it (as suggested by many posters in this thread) as just being a part of a prison sentence.
Our corrections systems should strive to eliminate prison rape, no matter the ID of the perpetrator OR of the victim.
But they should CERTAINLY strive to prevent an entirely-predictable prison rape that is waiving a rainbow flag in their faces.
Just because you cannot stop them all does NOT mean that you should not stop (at a minimum) the obvious ones.
Our corrections systems should strive to eliminate prison rape, no matter the ID of the perpetrator OR of the victim.
But they should CERTAINLY strive to prevent an entirely-predictable prison rape that is waiving a rainbow flag in their faces.
Just because you cannot stop them all does NOT mean that you should not stop (at a minimum) the obvious ones.
This post was edited on 3/4/21 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 3/4/21 at 12:43 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
quote:
As others have said, it's prison!
I have no worry in this world of being raped in prison because I never have been to prison and never will go to prison! Maybe if these people don't want to be raped in prison, don't put yourself there!
No sympathy at all!!
So, you see forcible rape by other inmates as just being a part of the sentence handed down by the Court at your sentencing hearing.
Please tell me where I said anything about this being part of a sentence being handed by a court?
What I said is that being raped in prison is a consequence of being in prison. How do you get in prison? You commit a felony more than likely, most misdemeanors offenders are not sentenced to prison. So, you got raped because of your own criminal actions!
Time for some personal responsibility!
Posted on 3/4/21 at 12:46 pm to AggieHank86
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I suspect that most MTF transgenders think that they should be sent to female prisons, as opposed to getting a prison of their own.
Ah, so if the tranny rapes a woman at a woman's prison because of retarded leftist "science", that's ok. But a a male felon getting raped in prison by another male felon is wrong...only if one of the male's is a tranny?
I just want to know the consistent thought process here. What is it, exactly? Rape is bad, but only if it's man on tranny man rape? Tranny man on woman rape is ok, and man on man rape is ok?
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