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re: study shows welfare prevents crime, quite dramatically

Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:36 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:36 am to
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Ah, the old “pull yourself up by your bootstraps. White men do it all the time” argument.


Black dudes and hispanics do this all the time.

The only people who don't, are white women who have never carried their own weight.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46425 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:36 am to
I've noticed that people who refuse to work for 8 bucks an hour aren't too proud to take tax money from those making 8 bucks an hour.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61110 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:37 am to
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The only people who don't, are white women who have never carried their own weight.


I’m going to visit the planet you live on someday.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28042 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:37 am to
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Ah, the old “pull yourself up by your bootstraps. White men do it all the time” argument.


White has nothing to do with it. Do you think black people are incapable of pulling themselves out of crappy situations?
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
59118 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:38 am to
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who kidnapped them from their homes…

How does that contradict what I said?


Most were taken in battle, not "kidnapped from their homes".

Also, that statement has been the common refrain of those who like to portray slavery as a uniquely American thing and perpetrated only by caucasians onto blacks.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28042 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:39 am to
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Most were taken in battle, not "kidnapped from their homes".



And both of the above were typically committed by other black men, who then sold them to white men (or anybody with goods they wanted).
Posted by Billions
Member since Oct 2023
270 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:40 am to
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Arguments can be made that Jim Crowe is alive and well today.

There are zero such arguments. ZERO.

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you do this CONSTANTLY. you are always telling me what I believe and don’t believe and it’s has never ever aligned with reality. Just stop. I can speak for myself.

No. You tell us what you believe and then get mad when people understand it.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61110 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:44 am to
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Most were taken in battle, not "kidnapped from their homes".


Ok, if I said “most were taken hostage”, would that really change the point?

They unwillingly were enslaved without their consent. They didn’t choose that terrible existence. They didn’t ask to come to America to be owned by another human and treated like chattel.

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Also, that statement has been the common refrain of those who like to portray slavery as a uniquely American thing and perpetrated only by caucasians onto blacks.
Of course not. Despite pretending like they have always been more tolerant and civilized then America, much of European infrastructure was developed by slaves. That just doesn’t have much to do with this particular discussion.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28042 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:46 am to
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They unwillingly were enslaved without their consent. They didn’t choose that terrible existence. They didn’t ask to come to America to be owned by another human and treated like chattel.


Neither did the Chinese out west. A lot of socio-ethnic groups were treated like shite 100 years ago. Only one still uses it as a crutch.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61110 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:49 am to
If a demographic has been brutalized for more than 100 years, they should just forgive and forget because other people have. I’ll keep that in mind.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:50 am to
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If a demographic has been brutalized for more than 100 years, t


A lot of generalization.

Are you more privileged than Will Smith?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:51 am to
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I’m going to visit the planet you live on someday.


And you wonder why people realize youre a marxist.

Is your life powerless? It sure seems to be if you believe the power to better your life lies in Government.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:52 am to
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If a demographic has been brutalized for more than 100 years, they should just forgive and forget b


Black people must live a hell of a long time.

Most modern black folks didnt experience segregation, much less slavery.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:53 am to
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Neither did the Chinese out west. A lot of socio-ethnic groups were treated like shite 100 years ago.


Yep.

Even African immigrants who come here are generally successful.

And (gasp) most of them are black.
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
5899 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:55 am to
4cubbies is the poster child for a raging lunatic. I am glad that there is only a small faction (to many if there is more than zero) of idiots that think the way you do. The founding fathers created this country with the exact opposite point of views. They also warned that there would be people like you that would do their best to destroy it.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61110 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 11:02 am to
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And you wonder why people realize youre a marxist.


Because only Marxists understand that many, many white woman have been providing for themselves?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28042 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 11:02 am to
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If a demographic has been brutalized for more than 100 years, they should just forgive and forget because other people have. I’ll keep that in mind.




I didn't say "forgive and forget". If you're going to need pamprin every time someone misrepresents (as you see it) your views, don't do it to others.

What brutalization has a 30 year old black man faced? There are no more slaves, there's nobody alive who's ever been a slave. How much longer do you want to drag this out?
Posted by GetMeOutOfHere
Member since Aug 2018
1128 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 11:16 am to
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If you graduate from high school you can make $10/hour and be middle class!”


My kids are in high school and make more than that - must be because of their whiteness.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 11:21 am to
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My kids are in high school and make more than that - must be because of their whiteness.


Yeah, my grandson came up and made almost double that this summer. Never worked before.

Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
59118 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 11:33 am to
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Despite pretending like they have always been more tolerant and civilized then America, much of European infrastructure was developed by slaves.


It's not just a European thing, slavery has existed in some form in every society we know of. The Trans-Saharan Slave Trade (from Africa to Arab lands) dwarfs not only the time length of the Trans-Atlantic trade, but also the sheer number of slaves taken from Africa. Hell, slavery (including the open buying/selling of them) still exists in Africa today.

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That just doesn’t have much to do with this particular discussion.


It does because the narrative continues to be that somehow the descendants of African slaves who were brought to the US (which was only a small fraction of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade, much less worldwide and/or historical slavery) are so uniquely victimized by just the existence of this knowledge of their ancestry that it causes them to be unable to succeed in Western society without long-term handouts.

The Irish disagree. Asians disagree. Hell, more and more blacks disagree.
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