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Posted on 7/13/19 at 8:34 am to gthog61
I feel the need to clarify, without sarcasm.
The National Academy of Sciences published a researched, peer reviewed paper over 600 pages of data-driven research. They concluded that 1st generation immigrants are a net negative of $1600 per person. The second generation is a net positive of $1700 per person. The 3rd generation is a net positive of $1300 per person.
Don’t forget that the 2nd and 3rd generations have far more people than the 1st generation.
This means that even though the 1st generation cost us money, the rate of return in the economy is well over what any other investment will bear. Not even Bernie Madoff could promise these kinds of returns.
Your xenophobic instincts are wrong.
Build a bridge.
The National Academy of Sciences published a researched, peer reviewed paper over 600 pages of data-driven research. They concluded that 1st generation immigrants are a net negative of $1600 per person. The second generation is a net positive of $1700 per person. The 3rd generation is a net positive of $1300 per person.
Don’t forget that the 2nd and 3rd generations have far more people than the 1st generation.
This means that even though the 1st generation cost us money, the rate of return in the economy is well over what any other investment will bear. Not even Bernie Madoff could promise these kinds of returns.
Your xenophobic instincts are wrong.
Build a bridge.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 8:36 am to BearsBDL
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Illegals pay taxes with no entitlement to federal benefits like SS and unemployment benefits so this is just fodder for the easily duped Trump misfits
They pay into SS but most pay no income taxes. They use the Earned Income Tax credit as their personal piggy bank getting back a lot more $$$ then they pay in(most commit tax fraud with the EIC by claiming dependents they don't have). They know how to game the system.
Net net they don't pay taxes and eat up a hell of a lot of services.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 8:48 am to victoire sécurisé
Yep and all 3 generations are illegal and have to go. No sarcasm!
Posted on 7/13/19 at 8:48 am to BearsBDL
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Illegals pay taxes with no entitlement to federal benefits like SS and unemployment benefits so this is just fodder for the easily duped Trump misfits.
You’re high af rn.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 8:50 am to victoire sécurisé
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They concluded that 1st generation immigrants are a net negative of $1600 per person. The second generation is a net positive of $1700 per person. The 3rd generation is a net positive of $1300 per person.
This is laughable on its face. It has to leave out the cost for public education and healthcare and probably a dozen other costs.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 8:55 am to BearsBDL
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Your use of the Rush Drugbo like word “libtard” exposes your lack on independent thought and sillyness sir
You have to be a fricking parody
Posted on 7/13/19 at 8:55 am to the808bass
Weird how those second generation areas along the borders are complete dumps
Posted on 7/13/19 at 8:58 am to victoire sécurisé
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Stupid, biased study by National Academy of Sciences is amazingly thorough.
Stupid, biased study also failed to come to the same conclusion as super smart, well-researched, Breitbart-referenced article that bases conclusion ENTIRELY on the data of stupid, biased study.
You are dumber than the other asshat.
This study was based on numbers from...wait for it... the National Academy of Sciences (and Engineering...and Medicine).
God damn
Posted on 7/13/19 at 9:06 am to Mulat
All Trump has to do is say that the billions saved deporting all the illegal aliens will be shifted into education and job training for the poor in the country, especially the black community.
Heck - hand out free electric cars with the money. Instead of Obama phones, we have Trump electric cars made in the USA.
Would blow their minds. Green Energy and pandering to their main voting block plus massive economic progressive economic expansion.
Heck - hand out free electric cars with the money. Instead of Obama phones, we have Trump electric cars made in the USA.
Would blow their minds. Green Energy and pandering to their main voting block plus massive economic progressive economic expansion.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 9:11 am to BackWoodsTiger
Who paid for the study?
Posted on 7/13/19 at 9:18 am to victoire sécurisé
So your study is centered around illegal/undocumented immigrants, such as those referenced in the OP eh?
Posted on 7/13/19 at 9:20 am to BearsBDL
quote:So 15 of them using the same SS number on a job site is ok and that taxes are paid?
Illegals pay taxes with no entitlement to federal benefits like SS
Idiot
Posted on 7/13/19 at 9:24 am to Mulat
That same group who released that “study” is the same outfit that produced the ridiculous “study” last fall about the “cost” of immigrants. There was no method, just “we estimate the cost to be X,” and “we estimate the taxes paid to be Y.” It is what is referred to as ipsi dixit.
What the right wingers refuse to acknowledge is that the value of the cheap labor produced by the exploitation of undocumented migrant workers is astronomical. The American employers who use undocumented labor provide the financial machinery which promotes it. If undocumented workers were actually a net loss, the system would have dried up on its own.
It is more productive and useful to use factual reasons why we have limits on immigration. Allowing an unrestricted flow of undocumented workers undermines the domestic trade workers. Immigration enforcement is needed to protect good labor jobs for the large segment of our population who are not college bound. We DO have to protect our communities. Not from “diseased dogs,” but from having no way to earn an honest living.
What the right wingers refuse to acknowledge is that the value of the cheap labor produced by the exploitation of undocumented migrant workers is astronomical. The American employers who use undocumented labor provide the financial machinery which promotes it. If undocumented workers were actually a net loss, the system would have dried up on its own.
It is more productive and useful to use factual reasons why we have limits on immigration. Allowing an unrestricted flow of undocumented workers undermines the domestic trade workers. Immigration enforcement is needed to protect good labor jobs for the large segment of our population who are not college bound. We DO have to protect our communities. Not from “diseased dogs,” but from having no way to earn an honest living.
This post was edited on 7/13/19 at 9:25 am
Posted on 7/13/19 at 9:31 am to TBoy
How about the loss of money that a legal citizen is losing? The illegals send their money south of the border where a citizen buys houses, cars, etc. The damage the illegals and their protectors are doing to this country is astronomical. I would like both parties to leave..
Posted on 7/13/19 at 9:34 am to TBoy
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What the right wingers refuse to acknowledge is that the value of the cheap labor produced by the exploitation of undocumented migrant workers is astronomical. The American employers who use undocumented labor provide the financial machinery which promotes it.
Correct. The “net gain” of immigration comes (+90% of it) from depressing native wages. And that gain goes to the big (and some small) businesses that exploit that labor. Not to you. Not to me.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 9:38 am to TBoy
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If undocumented workers were actually a net loss, the system would have dried up on its own.
That is the kinda forward thinking that enabled Jug Ears to double the debt.
If EBT cards are enabling fat citizens, who are unhealthy, increasing the cost of healthcare, we would change it.
If wasting tax dollars on "planned" levee improvements, that never happened, we would stop it.
If building a bridge to no where, in West Virginia, was wasting money that could have been used on needed infrastructure in other places, the system would have dried up on its own, and Lobbyists would all leave Washington DC.
Rich Corporations want cheap labor. Therefore its necessary for present employees to pay for replacement workers.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 9:39 am to Mulat
Not important to those who don’t pay taxes
Posted on 7/13/19 at 9:51 am to Mulat
Yeah but the goal is white genocide so.....
This post was edited on 7/13/19 at 9:52 am
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