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re: Study: Marijuana Tied to Persistent Subclinical Psychotic Symptoms
Posted on 4/14/17 at 2:02 pm to The Great McGinty
Posted on 4/14/17 at 2:02 pm to The Great McGinty
quote:Key here is this: "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged". It's talking about hypocritical judgments. Another way Jesus worded it was "For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you." (Matt. 7:2)
Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Another good verse is "Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.” - John 7:24
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Posted on 4/14/17 at 2:10 pm to FooManChoo
Marijuana users are being judged/treated just like the blind woman at the fountain which Jesus gave sight. We're just waiting for him to show up and see what he brings to the table.... Cash Grass or arse... no one rides for free!
Posted on 4/14/17 at 2:29 pm to biglego
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marijuana is barely addictive, if at all
Nonsense. It is apparent that any further discussion is pointless. I mean, it is absolutely addictive.
I've worked in this field for 15 years. I've seen countless people have problems related directly and indirectly to marijuana, and they continue to use it despite repeated negative consequences. Their craving for it and "need" for it to deal with stress, conflict, and life problems (many of which are created or compounded by their use of it) have and continue to convince me that it is addictive.
People like to believe that they are completely in control, even when faced with numerous indications otherwise, so I completely understand that many simply cannot cope with the idea that a "natural" plant can lead to addiction and exacerbate cognitive/behavioral problems.
The amount of rationalizing, generalizing, and minimizing folks will do to justify smoking some weed is really quite incredible. It's called denial. I see it every day at the individual level. What amazes me, however, is how this continues at the societal level.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 2:36 pm to LSU Patrick
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The amount of rationalizing, generalizing, and minimizing folks will do to justify me not smoking some weed is really quite incredible. It's called denial. I see it every day at the individual level. What amazes me, however, is how this continues at the societal level.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 2:38 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Cigarettes and Alcohol are much more dangerous and kill many more people than marijuana.
As do sugar, processed oils, ibuprofen, and acetaminophen, just to name a few legal and socially mainstream substances. At least weed has an actual medical benefit. For one, as a cancer patient I can tell you guys that my CBD oil and THC budder are the only things that relieve low-grade nausea.
This post was edited on 4/14/17 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 4/14/17 at 2:42 pm to LSU Patrick
Oh please save it, most people who ruin their lives with pot were shitty people to begin with. I know plenty who smoke and gave normal lives. Of course pot like anything is addictive. But it is not physically addictive and is far less then cigarettes
Posted on 4/14/17 at 2:48 pm to LSU Patrick
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The amount of rationalizing, generalizing, and minimizing folks will do to justify smoking some weed is really quite incredible. It's called denial. I see it every day at the individual level. What amazes me, however, is how this continues at the societal level.
I'm not sure this makes a lick of sense, even from an English-language standpoint, and your anecdotal "evidence" is riddled with logical and scientific flaws.
I'm amazed at how deep Reefer Madness has been imbedded in the American psyche.
People become dependent upon all manner of things. Making something a primary concern is fraught with peril.
But to jump from you observed abuses to saying it is dangerously addictive is unhelpful and misleading.
My own counter-anecdote: I use legal medical marijuana for a couple days every two weeks, and then I'm done until my next chemo treatment. I'm 43. I've been nearly killed myself in many many ways since age 15 abusing alcohol. I haven't touched it since I started treatment in January. And I am a new man. It took a life-threatening disease to shake me from alcohol (despite having been a highly functioning and usually moderate drinker most of the time). Weed is 100% take or leave for me, but it's nice not being nauseous.
Just my experience.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:02 pm to McLemore
You question the scientific basis of my post and post your single personal anecdote. I'm done here.
This post was edited on 4/14/17 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:07 pm to LSU Patrick
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Nonsense. It is apparent that any further discussion is pointless. I mean, it is absolutely addictive.
Then why are you still discussing it?
[quote]I've worked in this field for 15 years. I've seen countless people have problems related directly and indirectly to marijuana, and they continue to use it despite repeated negative consequences. [/quote]
Ah now it makes sense! You make money from treating this "addiction"!! Let's see...is it a drug court? Outpatient rehab? Do most of your clients come to you bc a judge ordered them to? Or are you just a psychiatrist who frightened soccer moms run to when they find a joint in their kid's backpack?
The part in bold is why you consider it addictive. And by that that definition, it is. And most other things are too. I still eat bacon despite the fat- I'm addicted to bacon! I still stay up too late watching old movies--I'm addicted to movies and not sleeping enough! I love chocolate, cookies, ice cream...you get the idea. my wife insists on nagging me about shaving daily, but she does it anyway despite it leading to bad moods. Is she addicted to nagging me?
If you think my examples are silly, then you must also thing your definition of addiction is silly.
This post was edited on 4/14/17 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:20 pm to LSU Patrick
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You question the scientific basis of my post and post your single personal anecdote.
You posted about your anecdotal experience with weed addicts.
Here's mine-I've practiced criminal defense for almost ten years. Like you, I make money off of weed prohibition. Unlike you, I don't let let that cloud my judgment. I've never ever ever ever had a client--not one--with a "weed addiction". Never. Alcohol, benzos, opiates. All those were addicts who needed treatment. All those physically needed the drug. The alcoholics kept drinking. The opiate and benzo addicts would steal to get it. Weed? Never caused any client of mine to violence, never caused one to steal, never caused withdrawals. I've represented hundreds of people.
These weed addiction stats are intended to prop up the anti-weed interests. Since most people know weed is not truly harmful or physically addictive, the goalposts were moved to where addiction becomes mental. And I agree an addiction can be mental, but that mental addiction has to mean something. It can't be simply "well, Billy keeps smoking so he is addicted". Bc then it's overbroad and could be applied to many things. Like pussy.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:22 pm to MButterfly
Same thing could be said or alcohol/tobacco in adolescents. Which is why you set the age at 21 which is when the brain has developed enough.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 3:35 pm to LSU Patrick
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You question the scientific basis of my post and post your single personal anecdote. I'm done here.
Yeah I posted my personal experience. I'm not the one saying weed kills. The onus is on you. You started with broad sweeping anecdotes based on ???
I told you a) there are many many more dangerous mainstream substances that are totally legal and uncontrolled, b) you failed to address the root issues with dependency in general and resorted to the classic correlation analysis that, and c) if we are talking in anecdotes, then here is my non-hearsay one from firsthand experience.
But if you wanna take your toys and leave then that's your choice.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 4:00 pm to McLemore
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Even during the heyday of Al Capone, ordinary citizens were not routinely in danger from the evils of alcohol. Today, a huge swath of ordinary citizens are in danger of being caught up in evil propagated by the drug culture.
What. The roaring 20s? The Great Gatsby? Disillusionment. Speak easies. Most everyone had scotch or whiskey at their desks. It was courtesy to ask someone if they wanted a drink before a business meeting. I'm told my industry was barely functioning after 2pm back in the day.
I was watching an old western movie the other day and a cop comes to a guy's house and is asked for a drink. Cop says "no I have lots of work and must be going. Just a beer for me"
Posted on 4/14/17 at 4:17 pm to biglego
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You posted about your anecdotal experience with weed addicts.
Here's mine-I've practiced criminal defense for almost ten years. Like you, I make money off of weed prohibition. Unlike you, I don't let let that cloud my judgment. I've never ever ever ever had a client--not one--with a "weed addiction". Never. Alcohol, benzos, opiates. All those were addicts who needed treatment. All those physically needed the drug. The alcoholics kept drinking. The opiate and benzo addicts would steal to get it. Weed? Never caused any client of mine to violence, never caused one to steal, never caused withdrawals. I've represented hundreds of people.
These weed addiction stats are intended to prop up the anti-weed interests. Since most people know weed is not truly harmful or physically addictive, the goalposts were moved to where addiction becomes mental. And I agree an addiction can be mental, but that mental addiction has to mean something. It can't be simply "well, Billy keeps smoking so he is addicted". Bc then it's overbroad and could be applied to many things. Like pussy.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 4:20 pm to LSU Patrick
100% on.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 4:25 pm to TGFN57
The dude's name is Hemphead for God's sake.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 4:35 pm to MoarKilometers
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Link to scientific evidence supporting this claim? Seems fair in this thread...
Science and what science considers fact changes continually. 400 years ago it was considered scientific fact that the sun rotated around the earth. To ask for scientific evidence of anything (Almost) is simply to point out you don't understand science or how it works.
Had he said 400 years ago that the earth, in fact rotates around the sun, you would have asked for scientific evidence, and he could not have provided it. That did not make it not true, though, would it?
In another 400 years everything you think of as scientific evidence will be laughed at as backwards and your not fully grasping the totality of science.
Posted on 4/14/17 at 4:35 pm to LSU Patrick
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See. I got downvoted for posting facts. My post did not even address the legality of it. I did this in a subsequent post. I simply posted that there is evidence that it is harmful and addictive. I guess that was too threatening to the burnouts and reckless libertarians
yes... speak not about jane
Posted on 4/14/17 at 4:37 pm to MButterfly
hold up, kids are adversely affected by psychoactive drugs?
tell me more
tell me more
Posted on 4/14/17 at 4:38 pm to MButterfly
The cia used marijuana to hypnotize young men and trained them to be cold emotionless assassins during the mk71 program in the 70s
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