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re: Strip away whataboutism, election fraud, and specific GOPE policies, what does MAGA offer?

Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:05 am to
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
46447 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:05 am to
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inflation

People keep saying this, but let's not forget, this was kicked off by Trump.

Trump wanted people to like him so he handed out a bunch of stimulus checks. The inflation was kicked off by Trump. True conservatives wouldn't forget that.

Trump doesn't offer true conservative policies, which is expected coming from a NY billionaire Democrat. He offers some warped form of whatever he thinks certain people want to hear.

The guy has no backbone, morals or principles - so how could he actually stand for something?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:07 am to
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Trade reciprocity to grow a manufacturing based and have less of a service based economy.


I said Leftist economics was a spinoff of the opposition to perceived esoteric enemies.



Label trade reciprocity anyway you want. The bottom line is making a deal that is best for America not China or some other foreign nation because multinational corporations on Wall Street need to fatten their profits. Trade reciprocity means leaving all the negotiating tools on the table and working out a deal the doesn't screw the working class.

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Not enough information to judge. With the information we have, it's not likely to be true.


I mean, what world are you living in? Count the wars MAGA got us into. Let me start: 0.

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Policies to increase energy supply and lower energy costs.


GOPE policies.


There is a lot of overlap.

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2. "Secure" borders (whatever that means)


Means the opposite of what you are seeing under the current administration.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55386 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:07 am to
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We are still feeling inflation from Trump-era spending.



You are lying again.


Posted by FriscoTiger1973
Frisco, Texas
Member since Jan 2012
1414 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:07 am to
Return to mean tweets.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55386 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:09 am to
I have a better question.

When you strip away all of the attacks of SlowMo, what are you really looking at?

A person pretending to be aligned with conservatism that bashes it with small comments.
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
6597 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:10 am to
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"Trade deals" I guess, but that's just Leftism and really is under the "opposition to esoteric perceived enemies" grouping.


What exactly do YOU believe? That third world sweatshops are necessarily the foundation of this "free trade" global economy you globalists have harped on since HW? That open and subvertive warfare is therefore the driving force of a better world?

Yes, Trump reformed BAD and unsustainable trade deals. He imposed some tariffs on a hostile, communist empire. He scaled down military entanglements in the middle east, made adjustments to a bullshite tax code, incentivized American industry and energy. He made some inroads on fighting a bad situation at our southern border. Most importantly, intended or not, he exposed the rotten money game that has infested every level of our federal government.

If he hadn't been fought by his own party every step of the way when we had GOP majorities in both houses, he might have reformed or even ended Obamacare, made further inroads on immigration and the tax code and taken the fight more aggressively to China. But, that didn't happen. I don't blame Trump for that.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53871 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:12 am to
The Desantians are beginning to unravel in embarrassing fashion....separating the mentally fragile from the MAGA/America First patriots is accelerating exponentially.

The buzzword is esoteric from today.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466947 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:12 am to
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I think the answer is pretty obvious. Voters like to be philosophically aligned with their candidate. A philosophical commitment to American ASPIRATION as opposed to the American DECLINISM of other parties and candidates.


You're not really making an argument. Leftists believe they are promoting American aspiration and MAGA is promoting American decline.

That's just in/out group dynamism.
This post was edited on 8/18/23 at 8:13 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:13 am to
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We are still feeling inflation from Trump-era spending.



The Trump era spending was COVID congressional spending. Biden just-go-green-jack polices are exasperating the malinvestment during COVID. Without COVID spending and MAGA economics this economy would be humming along at the target 2% inflation rate which is the stated goal by almost all economists.

Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
12905 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:13 am to
Chicken needs to grow some big feathery nuts and get rid of some idiots on this board.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466947 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:14 am to
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More than the Brandon's puppeteer show of communism.

Cool. Who is defending Biden?
Posted by lsuguy84
Madisonville
Member since Feb 2009
26422 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:14 am to
Why?
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
80227 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:14 am to
I like MAGA because it makes government leaders uncomfortable.

This tracks along with the founder's thinking that government should fear the people.

That is a healthy environment for liberty.
This post was edited on 8/18/23 at 8:16 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297478 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:14 am to
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That third world sweatshops are necessarily the foundation of this "free trade" global economy you globalists have harped on since HW?


Anyone who understands economics will be against the trade war stuff

Trumpism enriched woke American corporations while taking power away from the consumer.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466947 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:15 am to
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I have to love his Federal and SCOTUS judges.

*Mitch McConnell's federal and SCOTUS judges.

The plan to install conservative judges is a GOPE plan. Trump was just told to sign off on who he was told to.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466947 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:16 am to
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This is your opinion.

They're facts, actually.

You can dispute the veracity of the facts, if you'd like.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
69149 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:16 am to
Weepy OP and an immediate denial of the first legitimate response. Operating in bad faith like a little bitch this morning are we?
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55386 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:16 am to
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What exactly do YOU believe? That third world sweatshops are necessarily the foundation of this "free trade" global economy you globalists have harped on since HW? That open and subvertive warfare is therefore the driving force of a better world?

Yes, Trump reformed BAD and unsustainable trade deals. He imposed some tariffs on a hostile, communist empire. He scaled down military entanglements in the middle east, made adjustments to a bull shite tax code, incentivized American industry and energy. He made some inroads on fighting a bad situation at our southern border. Most importantly, intended or not, he exposed the rotten money game that has infested every level of our federal government.

If he hadn't been fought by his own party every step of the way when we had GOP majorities in both houses, he might have reformed or even ended Obamacare, made further inroads on immigration and the tax code and taken the fight more aggressively to China. But, that didn't happen. I don't blame Trump for that.



PREACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:17 am to
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When you strip away all of the attacks of SlowMo, what are you really looking at?


He really takes no position and is just a contrarian. Good or bad SPF is not ideological. His posts are similar to many attorneys I know...making an argument for argument sake. Doesn't really matter the position of the argument. It's what lawyers are trained to do.
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
10004 posts
Posted on 8/18/23 at 8:17 am to
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Trade reciprocity to grow a manufacturing based and have less of a service based economy.

Less wars.

Policies to increase energy supply and lower energy costs.

Secure borders thus putting upward wage pressure on working class.

ETA: good judges that lead to decisions with good outcomes.



I like to rail on Trump about some things I thought he should have done, but, this is exactly what the POTUS is supposed to do. ^^^^^^^^

Not forgive student loans, not push for healthcare (Obama), not force schools to abide by their party's edicts, not surveil citizens, not unilaterally bomb countries, not institute social programs.

There's another branch of government for that, and even better, most of these are state issues, not federal ones.

POTUS is a foreign agent for the States and is to oversee free and fair trade between the States.
This post was edited on 8/18/23 at 8:19 am
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