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re: St George proponents think they'll make the November ballot
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:58 pm to LSURussian
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:58 pm to LSURussian
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If BR annexes those retail areas you won't hear attacks on SG. SG will become moot.
That's a presumption on your part. You are avoiding the question:
IF BR annexes those retail areas AND SG ends up on the ballot anyway AND passes what harm comes to BR?
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:58 pm to moneyg
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For St. George, it's all about schools.
The problem is that Baton Rouge doesn't want St. George to get a ISD either.
They need the money for schools. I understand they started this with just wanting the ISD but to pay for en entire city govt, they need the money. At that point, their goal become money.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:00 am to Mickey Goldmill
Why did BR not allow SG to have its own ISD in the first place?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:02 am to theunknownknight
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Why did BR not allow SG to have its own ISD in the first place?
Some of the better public schools in the parish are in that area so it would hurt the rest of the school systems rankings.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:03 am to Mickey Goldmill
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They need the money for schools. I understand they started this with just wanting the ISD but to pay for en entire city govt, they need the money. At that point, their goal become money.
You are all over the place.
St. George's primary goal is an ISD. If you could offer that today to St. George, the incorporation effort stops.
Does Baton Rogue support the St. George ISD?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:04 am to theunknownknight
There will be a fragmentation of the parish almost 50/50 which means any new large company considering locating in EBR will have two bureacracies to satisfy rather than a one-stop fits all when it comes to licenses, permits, taxing authorities and city laws to comply with.
That is the driving force behind LSU wanting its large land holdings south of the main campus along Nicholson & River Road to be annexed into BR rather than face the possibility of having to deal with two city governments.
That is the driving force behind LSU wanting its large land holdings south of the main campus along Nicholson & River Road to be annexed into BR rather than face the possibility of having to deal with two city governments.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:05 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Some of the better public schools in the parish are in that area so it would hurt the rest of the school systems rankings.
So BR knew the "SG" schools were basically ketchup on a rotten steak and BR didn't want their incompetence exposed? That's what this all boils down to?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:06 am to moneyg
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You are all over the place.
St. George's primary goal is an ISD. If you could offer that today to St. George, the incorporation effort stops.
Does Baton Rogue support the St. George ISD?
lol no I'm really not. I've already said that I don't have issue with an ISD. I can't speak for the entirety of Baton Rouge. If it were up to me, I'd give it to them right now and be done with this whole thing.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:08 am to theunknownknight
BR never had a logical reason to oppose the ISD. Woodlawn high is the only public high school in all of st.George.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:10 am to theunknownknight
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So BR knew the "SG" schools were basically ketchup on a rotten steak and BR didn't want their incompetence exposed? That's what this all boils down to?
Wow you have an interesting way of looking at things. Success at school directly correlates with income levels. The more impoverished areas are in North BR and those have the worst schools. There is more private money in South BR and they generally have better public schools.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:10 am to Mickey Goldmill
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If it were up to me, I'd give it to them right now and be done with this whole thing.
+1
I'm hoping for this miracle to come out of the legislature, but I doubt it.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:10 am to LSURussian
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There will be a fragmentation of the parish almost 50/50 which means any new large company considering locating in EBR will have two bureacracies to satisfy rather than a one-stop fits all when it comes to licenses, permits, taxing authorities and city laws to comply with.
That is the driving force behind LSU wanting its large land holdings south of the main campus along Nicholson & River Road to be annexed into BR rather than face the possibility of having to deal with two city governments.
From your perspective it all boils down to LSU getting its way and big businesses not having to make a choice between two cities?
The latter is a pretty weak argument as IBM in SG would have virtually the same affect on south LA as IBM in BR.
So it all really boils down to the former: LSU and making things more convenient for the school.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 12:12 am
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:17 am to theunknownknight
quote:It's a "presumption" based on hard financial facts.
That's a presumption on your part.
The SG proposed annual city budget on the SG official website shows total expenditures of $61 million. The MoL alone generates $38 million/year in city sales taxes.
Subtract $38 million from SG's $61 million which the leaders say they need to run the city and then you explain how SG can function on the remaining $23 million.
If L'Auberge is removed, that's another $7 million gone.
If Perkins Rowe is annexed into BR that's another $4 million gone from the SG revenues.
My "presumption" is well reasoned.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:20 am to theunknownknight
quote:If that is how you interpret what I wrote then it's useless to continue discussing it with you.
From your perspective it all boils down to LSU getting its way and big businesses not having to make a choice between two cities?
Goodnight.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:25 am to LSURussian
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If that is how you interpret what I wrote then it's useless to continue discussing it with you.
That is what you wrote. If that's not what you intended then make your posts clearer.
Based on your other posts, SG would have a very small government and be of little threat to BR if it became viable at 12-15 million at year. So back to my original question: what's the big threat? Extra Paperwork?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:30 am to theunknownknight
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Based on your other posts, SG would have a very small government and be of little threat to BR if it became viable at 12-15 million at year. So back to my original question: what's the big threat? Extra Paperwork?
He's saying that's not financially possible for them to operate on. If it was, then there would likely be no threat to BR.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 12:31 am
Posted on 4/23/14 at 5:17 am to SPEEDY
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The biggest bonus with BRPD is that you will still have council oversight, especially in areas such as the budget
I'm not sure we define "bonus" in exactly the same way.... But I get what you are saying.
Regardless of whether or not St. George is successful in its incorporation I hope the entire parish takes the opportunity to ask the hard questions about our current form of government and whether it is working well for us. I think there are lots of things that could be better- unified police services, fire service, at-large council representation are a few off the top of my head.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 7:52 am to BR Tiger
I have been saying this for years
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Easiest way to do that is to let BRPD police the entire parish and have the sheriff just run the jail and all civil processes. The biggest bonus with BRPD is that you will still have council oversight, especially in areas such as the budget.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 7:59 am to BR Tiger
Right now SG is trying to get 18,000 signatures on their petition so a vote can be held in Movember. The deadline to get things on the November ballot is sometimes in July.
Those are the facts at hand.
Whether the Mall of La. is annexed or not is pure speculation. The same thing applies to L'auberge and Perkins Rowe. The chance the portions of Costco and Celtic outside of the city are annexed into the city are very likely, but neither is a deal breaker.
If SG gets the required number of signatures on their petition, there will be three months plus to discuss the ramifications of annexations that may or may not have happened.
I see it all as a scare tactic designed to slow the signature process down.
Remember signing a petition doesn't lock you into voting for the measure. It just says you'd like to see the measure voted on.
Reading the thread, I see a lot of information that may or may not be true. We shall see how it developes.
Those are the facts at hand.
Whether the Mall of La. is annexed or not is pure speculation. The same thing applies to L'auberge and Perkins Rowe. The chance the portions of Costco and Celtic outside of the city are annexed into the city are very likely, but neither is a deal breaker.
If SG gets the required number of signatures on their petition, there will be three months plus to discuss the ramifications of annexations that may or may not have happened.
I see it all as a scare tactic designed to slow the signature process down.
Remember signing a petition doesn't lock you into voting for the measure. It just says you'd like to see the measure voted on.
Reading the thread, I see a lot of information that may or may not be true. We shall see how it developes.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 4/23/14 at 8:49 am to doubleb
quote:When did it drop from 18,000 to 15,000?
Right now SG is trying to get 15,000 signatures on their petition
ETA:
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The St. George effort needs signatures from about 18,000 registered voters who live in the proposed city’s boundaries
April 14, 2014, The Advocate
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 8:57 am
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