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Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:01 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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LSU for example. When the surrounding city around LSU suffers, LSU itself will suffer. LSU generates millions of dollars of revenue for the entire region. If BR suffers, that hurts everyone. Are all the people in St. George going to only work there? No. The business climate of BR affects people all the way from Lafayette to New Orleans and out to Livingston Parish.
That's a pretty weak argument. If the business climate in Baton Rouge is going to suffer due to St. George incorporating, that would almost assuredly result in growth and opportunities in St. George.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:03 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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No, St. George people are saying it has nothing to do with money and they are flat out lying. If they really wanted their own "St. George" community, it would have been proposed as MUCH smaller than what they are aiming for now. Of course this is all about money.
This is about schools. It always has been. And, if it could get an ISD today, the incorporation effort would immediately end.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:05 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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And guess who will suddenly be getting property taxes from the mall.
But...it's not about money for BR? Which is it?
Btw, I don't think BR understands the gravity of annexing all those businesses when it will come to costs.
The EBR sheriff is funded by the the parish, lotta money to pay for all that.
The BRPD will have to expand to cut costs - to lower detail pay - to cover all these areas. More cops with less details. Less details = unhappy cops and higher turnover. Watch it happen.
BR is, itself, underestimating costs here. There's a reason they are grabbing as much as possible. They KNOW they need the money.
But here's the kicker: the BR government will still be the BR government and they will still suck - I fully expect them to screw up whatever "advantages" they get in the SG deal.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:05 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I'm not making up anything. The neighborhoods that have always identified as "St. George" comprise a much smaller area than what they want now. That is why this situation is so different than Baker, Central, and Zachary. All those areas already identified as their own communities.
This proposed St. George is not like that at all. There is a much smaller area that has historically been referred to as St. George.
So what? As a logical person, that doesn't concern me at all because these other areas would by definition have to vote to incorporate. Thus, it would be their will.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:07 pm to SPEEDY
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You talking about extra duty details?
Yeah. That's where y'all make the money, at least that's what my dad liked the most.
See above: it may be more cost effective to just hire more cops and cut details in the long run.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:10 pm to theunknownknight
quote:The additional costs on the BRPD will be negligible.
Btw, I don't think BR understands the gravity of annexing all those businesses when it will come to costs. The EBR sheriff is funded by the the parish, lotta money to pay for all that. The BRPD will have to expand to cut costs - to lower detail pay - to cover all these areas. More cops with less details. Less details = unhappy cops and higher turnover. Watch it happen. BR is, itself, underestimating costs here. There's a reason they are grabbing as much as possible. They KNOW they need the money. But here's the kicker: the BR government will still be the BR government and they will still suck - I fully expect them to screw up whatever "advantages" they get in the SG deal.
It will be a much larger impact on the fire department. But with annexation of an area comes the additional property tax assessment for Baton Rouge fire department services that only city property owners pay.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:11 pm to theunknownknight
I'm not following you on this argument.
None of this will have any effect on detail pay. Each business pays for the officer working the detail. Not the department or the city.
Besides, EBRSO could still work the same details they do now if, for example, the MOL was annexed.
If anything, it would drive detail pay up
None of this will have any effect on detail pay. Each business pays for the officer working the detail. Not the department or the city.
Besides, EBRSO could still work the same details they do now if, for example, the MOL was annexed.
If anything, it would drive detail pay up
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:12 pm to SPEEDY
quote:Me, neither. His statements are not making sense.
I'm not following you on this argument.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:12 pm to moneyg
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That's a pretty weak argument. If the business climate in Baton Rouge is going to suffer due to St. George incorporating, that would almost assuredly result in growth and opportunities in St. George.
No it really wouldn't. Think IBM was going to locate in St. George if they didn't like BR?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:13 pm to SPEEDY
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Besides, EBRSO could still work the same details they do now if, for example, the MOL was annexed.
I was about to ask this. This would be legit dual jurisdiction correct? How would that be handled? Does the EBRSO just hand it all over to the BRPD?
For all BR "islands" in SG I mean
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:13 pm to theunknownknight
All of that is just another reason why BRPD should be absorbed into EBRSO.
Baton Rouge and EBR already consolidates its gov't, why not its police forces too?
Baton Rouge and EBR already consolidates its gov't, why not its police forces too?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:15 pm to Sentrius
Exactly. This wouldn't impact the EBRSO at all. They already service the entire parish as is.
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I seem to remember it being a union vs not union issue? One is a union and one isnt i think.
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Baton Rouge and EBR already consolidates its gov't, why not its police forces too?
I seem to remember it being a union vs not union issue? One is a union and one isnt i think.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:18 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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No it really wouldn't. Think IBM was going to locate in St. George if they didn't like BR?
I think IBM is going to locate in BR regardless of St. George.
The St. George area, incorporated or not, is a positive for Baton Rouge.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:20 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Exactly. This wouldn't impact the EBRSO at all. They already service the entire parish as is.
MoL gets robbed. EBRSO and BRPD show up at the same time. Who takes priority?
Currently the lines are jurisdiction are pretty well known by BRPD. But now there will be "islands" outside BR in SG where they will both clearly have jurisdiction. How is this being worked out in the current discussions?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:20 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I seem to remember it being a union vs not union issue? One is a union and one isnt i think.
Also elected (sheriff) vs. appointed (BRPD chief)
And civil service (BRPD) vs. non-civil service employees (sheriff's office).
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:23 pm to theunknownknight
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MoL gets robbed. EBRSO and BRPD show up at the same time. Who takes priority?
Currently the lines are jurisdiction are pretty well known by BRPD. But now there will be "islands" outside BR in SG where they will both clearly have jurisdiction. How is this being worked out in the current discussions?
Anything within the city limits is generally handled by the BRPD. The EBRSO would still handle the St. George area just like they do now. The only difference is the BRPD would handle to mall too if it gets annexed.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:23 pm to theunknownknight
quote:How so?
But now there will be "islands" outside BR in SG where they will both clearly have jurisdiction
BRPD has jurisdiction within the city limits & the sheriff has jurisdiction outside the city limits.
quote:What "current discussions"?
How is this being worked out in the current discussions?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:24 pm to LSURussian
Plus different retirement systems. It's really a messy legal issue
Easiest way to do that is to let BRPD police the entire parish and have the sheriff just run the jail and all civil processes. The biggest bonus with BRPD is that you will still have council oversight, especially in areas such as the budget.
The Sheriff doesn't have to justify a single dime of his budget. For example, he doesn't have to follow the state bid list in the area of vehicles. It's how he can buy his command staff $50k fully loaded, top of the line Tahoes instead of buying the stripped down police versions for $25k.
Easiest way to do that is to let BRPD police the entire parish and have the sheriff just run the jail and all civil processes. The biggest bonus with BRPD is that you will still have council oversight, especially in areas such as the budget.
The Sheriff doesn't have to justify a single dime of his budget. For example, he doesn't have to follow the state bid list in the area of vehicles. It's how he can buy his command staff $50k fully loaded, top of the line Tahoes instead of buying the stripped down police versions for $25k.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 11:25 pm to moneyg
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I think IBM is going to locate in BR regardless of St. George.
You aren't thinking long term here at all or at the potential damaging effects that the proposed St. George area would have on BR. For example, BR probably wouldn't even be able to afford the tax incentives to a company like IBM in the first place.
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