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re: So what, exactly, is the problem with real federal spending cuts?

Posted on 5/20/25 at 1:28 pm to
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 5/20/25 at 1:28 pm to
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Spending is killing us. Look at every failed empire in human history from Rome to Britain. They all collapsed from over expansion and debts they couldn't cover. Unless we turn things around, we are headed the same direction.


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Posted by Figgy
CenCal
Member since May 2020
8935 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 1:35 pm to
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And yet, what I said is true.


So deficit spending is okay as long as it’s less deficit than someone else’s deficit?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
451949 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 1:36 pm to
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So deficit spending is okay as long as it’s less deficit than someone else’s deficit?


Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
66696 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 1:38 pm to
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Trump supports this bloated budget too, correct?

You mean the dude who advocates for abolishing the debt ceiling entirely likes to spend? That's a shocker!
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14778 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 1:45 pm to
Entitlements. Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid.

They aren’t budgeted like other programs. You can’t just reduce them, you have to make program changes.

And they are popular (for a reason). There is no easy fix.

But they are also unsustainable.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
31173 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 1:46 pm to
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Spending is killing us. Look at every failed empire in human history from Rome to Britain. They all collapsed from over expansion and debts they couldn't cover. Unless we turn things around, we are headed the same direction.
AMEN!

There are still massive cuts that can still be made AND one's where this Administration tried to implement only to later wilt due to public and international perception. Funding the Ukraine needs to end once and for all, it's been over 90 days and very little forward towards an end to this war has been reached.

Cutting USAID was huge IMO even though we still see Dem's are lamenting starving children, lost medical research grants, and whining about lost jobs, etc.

Cutting government agencies and jobs was needed and still more needs to be cut, even though the Dem's whine and cry incessantly. Cut some more.
Posted by RohanGonzales
Member since Apr 2024
5154 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 1:49 pm to
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SlowFlowPro


Why don't you tell us how you would go about doing it, including getting them through Congress?
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
19503 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 1:54 pm to
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Trump supports this bloated budget too, correct?


But he sends out some sick burn tweets though and he insults reporters and shite like that. That right there is worth the price of admission man.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
58501 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 1:56 pm to
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It was compared to the alternative bill at the time in the hypo he's referencing.


Again, when 0 is possible under existing law, ADDING to that isn't "incremental" anything. That comparison does not work.
This post was edited on 5/20/25 at 1:57 pm
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9849 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 1:57 pm to
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Why don't you tell us how you would go about doing it, including getting them through Congress?


Get Trump to actually back massive cuts. Don't know if you've noticed, but a metric frickton of Trump voters just agree w/ everything he says out of pure tribalism.

If he had principles and the ability to communicate the problems of massive government intervention, spending, and debt, like the GOAT Javier Milei does, then actual cuts and massive deregulations would have already happened. But, he doesn't have those kinds of principles. He still seems to believe that economic issues can be best taken care of by government "help".
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
58501 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 1:58 pm to
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So deficit spending is okay as long as it’s less deficit than someone else’s deficit?


You believe a bill that eliminates all deficit spending would be possible?

I'm not arguing for deficit spending. I'm arguing for what's possible right now.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
68447 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 2:00 pm to
Every dollar has a constituency. With a narrow majority in Congress, every vote is make or break. That results in the silly horse trading that results in zero real cuts. It’s pathetic, but it’s reality.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
26537 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 2:04 pm to
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Why don't you tell us how you would go about doing it, including getting them through Congress?

It would help if anyone in government had both the balls and integrity to lay out the math honestly. I’m not an actuary so pardon the crudeness of the math here, but something like:

No more Medicaid for any able-bodied, child free adult, with an exception for three months after job termination. All healthy men of working age are ineligible permanently except for the job loss carve out noted above.

All Americans under 35 (myself included) should consider their SS contributions as donations to their elders. Those contributions should immediately begin phasing down to zero over the next decade. They can thank their parents for voting irresponsibly. All adults over 35 will also begin phasing down their contributions and will be paid out according to their contributions to date when the time comes. Seniors with the means to do so should take it upon themselves to reimburse their under-35 children for paying into a program that they will receive no benefit from.

A SS alternative is to raise the retirement age significantly.
This post was edited on 5/20/25 at 2:08 pm
Posted by Monahans
Member since Sep 2019
1771 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 2:11 pm to
There is zero appetite to curb government spending by MAGA or the Uniparty. We are cooked. It’s just a matter of when now.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
120433 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 2:13 pm to
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You believe a bill that eliminates all deficit spending would be possible?


Do you a real cut of 0% is the only option?

Do you think it would be impossible to propose a 5% real spending cut on the Federal budget, YOY?

Yall will make excuses for anything. It’s why nothing happens.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
451949 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 2:14 pm to
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Do you a real cut of 0% is the only option?

Do you think it would be impossible to propose a 5% real spending cut on the Federal budget, YOY?

Yall will make excuses for anything. It’s why nothing happens.


Correct. It's not "all or nothing". That's a false choice they've created to avoid criticizing Trump.
Posted by Figgy
CenCal
Member since May 2020
8935 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 2:16 pm to
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I'm arguing for what's possible right now.


So you agree with Massie and the Freedom Caucus. Good. In fact, they should employ Trump’s method of asking for far too many cuts so that they can achieve their real goal(s) when negotiations happen to maximize spending cuts.

quote:

You believe a bill that eliminates all deficit spending would be possible?


Now in all seriousness we all know that cuts need to happen and we need to have surpluses to attack the federal debt. It needed to happen years ago and we’ve continually been let down by the feds. So yeah, I’m actually all for making cuts to get us to that point. Everyone is going to have to experience pain there’s no avoiding it. Everything should be on the table. Whether or not that is possible… the only way to find out is to try.


Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
58501 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 2:19 pm to
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Do you a real cut of 0% is the only option?

Do you think it would be impossible to propose a 5% real spending cut on the Federal budget, YOY?

Yall will make excuses for anything. It’s why nothing happens.


They're making changes to entitlements that will save us money, and including tax cuts to make that an easier pill to swallow.

Instead of everyone crying about Medicaid work requirements and SNAP eligibility changes, everyone is talking about no taxes on tips.

You aren't going to get any changes to entitlements if those lead the conversation, and we'll never put a dent in anything if we don't address entitlements.
This post was edited on 5/20/25 at 2:21 pm
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
120433 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 2:21 pm to
I think it’s genius that Trump is going to increase spending from Biden’s budget and all yall are going around trumpeting it as a success.
Posted by da foozball
Member since Nov 2012
519 posts
Posted on 5/20/25 at 2:21 pm to
Sorry your candidate lost. I know it hurts.
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