re: So what exactly is the main argument against universal healthcare

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I’m not for universal healthcare but it’s telling how bad the guys in here are failing at defending the current system of insurance

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I haven't seen that. I've seen several posts saying that our current system isn't great but universal health care would be worse.

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I think you might be hallucinating. At no point did I mention anything about European nations.

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I used to work as ski patrol in Northern NY. Met a number of Canadians that were not fond of their system.

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That is bullshite

5 years my arse

Oh but I forgot, with government control that will fix everything

Biden or warren or sanders know so much about running large organizations and the collection of public sector and education employees with no real world experience will run health care just like the fbi and intel community!

why do people insist on forcing others to pay for their own health care? why don't they pay for their own healthcare?

not talking about existing Medicare and Medicaid, talking about the UNIVERSAL healthcare cited herein

here's the solution, pay for one's own healthcare and then with the leftover money that some seem so anxious to spend on other people's healthcare, voluntarily contribute to a fund to offset mine and others healthcare expenses

this is agreeable

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We already have the most expensive system in the world and it's not even close

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Do you think rationing has anything to do with that?

What about low salaries for doctors?

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Our current system is by far the costliest in the world and it is certainly not the best system.

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according to OP's chart our public spending is currently MORE per capita than almost anyone else's. That is an interesting fact.

Another is the often repeated mantra that our health care system is "certainly not the best system." I'm not so sure about "certainly." What you can say for sure is there are some areas where we are pretty weak overall, but also that there are some aspects of our health care system that are absolutely second to none.

How do you propose we cut spending?

No country has ever reduced health spending

Logic and human nature.

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Other countries are willing to accept average care for cheaper costs and culturally accept their own personal responsibility for remaining healthy. Americans want elite care, no matter the cost (since practically no one pays for healthcare directly out of pocket), and are the most unhealthy people on the planet.

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Sounds like we're electing to be stupid if you ask me