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re: SO, what exactly is the difference between Neville Chamberlain's leftist pacifist...
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:16 pm to FredBear
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:16 pm to FredBear
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Feel free to send your kids to fight and die for Ukraine. Go for it
That's not what I'm advocating for. We need to continue to provide ample assistance to the people fighting for Ukranian independence...the Ukranians themselves.
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:18 pm to MichiganTiger
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overthrow a democratic country
You mean like what happened in Ukraine in 2014 after their President refused to sign an economic pact with the EU?
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:20 pm to MichiganTiger
The only American interest in Ukraine is to avoid starting WW3 over it.
I wish Ukraine the best of luck in their war with Russia.
Ukraine is not a part of NATO.
Hell, Ukraine was a part of the Soviet Union for a good chunk of my life and we survived just fine.
I wish Ukraine the best of luck in their war with Russia.
Ukraine is not a part of NATO.
Hell, Ukraine was a part of the Soviet Union for a good chunk of my life and we survived just fine.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:22 pm to beachdude
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Defeated the Taliban in Afghanistan in the early 2000s.
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Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:23 pm to thebigmuffaletta
quote:Such a tiresome assertion. Repetition does not make it any more accurate.quote:You mean like what happened in Ukraine in 2014 after their President refused to sign an economic pact with the EU?
overthrow a democratic country
In 2014 both the people and the legislators of Ukraine wanted the EU deal. Yanukovych refused to sign it, because he was in Russia's back pocket. So the people removed him.
Did we SUPPORT them? Of course.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:23 pm to MichiganTiger
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We need to continue to provide ample assistance to the people fighting for Ukranian independence...the Ukranians themselves.
They are fighting a US proxy war. That is 100% evil.
Evil is pushing a war using bodies of others.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:24 pm to MichiganTiger
One difference is we don’t have a Kennedy praising tyrants
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:27 pm to AggieHank86
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Yanukovych
Refused to sign it because he believed it wasn’t in the best economic interests of his country.
US Presidents take unpopular positions all of the time. Would it be okay for some other country to foment a coup here just because our President did something unpopular?
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:28 pm to AggieHank86
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In 2014 both the people and the legislators of Ukraine wanted the EU deal. Yanukovych refused to sign it, because he was in Russia's back pocket. So the people removed him.
If you think his removal was purely organic, then you're dumber than I originally thought.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:29 pm to MichiganTiger
quote:Britain had a national interest. We don't.
what exactly is the difference
If you're looking for an example of current American pacifism... have a look at our border. We've complete surrendered to an unarmed invasion.
This post was edited on 2/22/23 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:30 pm to Gifman
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you think his removal was purely organic, then you're dumber than I originally thought.
Hank only believes official positions.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:34 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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L O L
We successfully sent a small ground force half way around the world backed up by tactical and strategic air assets and rooted out the ruling parties in Afghanistan and their minions in retaliation for that regime providing safe haven for a lethal, crazed, religious terrorist organization. We were not ultimately successful because of feckless, domestic politics.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:34 pm to beachdude
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We were not ultimately successful because of feckless, domestic politics.
We haven't won anything in decades.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:39 pm to MichiganTiger
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We need to continue to provide ample assistance to the people fighting for Ukranian independence...the Ukranians themselves.
This is a choice of which Slavic crime family you prefer to help.
There is no virtue or nobility to be found in this fight.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:40 pm to MichiganTiger
The same people who said we did not 8 Billion to secure the southern border support sending hundreds of billion's to Ukraine.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:45 pm to Bunk Moreland
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Maybe Victoria Nuland shouldn't have run a coup there in 2014 or Ukraine could have honored Minsk II (that Merkel and Hollande now admit was all bogus) and we wouldn't be in this situation.
You will take your Putin appointed strongman and like it
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:46 pm to GnashRebel
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You will take your Putin appointed strongman and like it
We're not in the same continent. It should have never been our decision.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:49 pm to MichiganTiger
Neville Chamberlain wasn’t left wing or a pacifist. He was a realist and the reality was Great Britain and Western Europe were broke after WW1. They simply couldn’t afford another World war unlike our current leaders who just print money endlessly
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:50 pm to MichiganTiger
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Nope...but the American right has,for a very long time, correctly bemoaned Chamberlain's lack of spine for letting Germany plow through Europe before it cast its eyes on the UK. Dude signed a deal with the devil to ensure Britain's safety...which clearly was a weak and pathetic move. At least we supported our European allies before Dec 7 drew us directly into the fray...that's kind of what we're doing now.
No, England knew they were a potential target from the beginning but hoped Hitler would keep his word and stop 'just after this next country.' That hope was ill founded.
America supported Britain before Dec. 7 because we are an English people. We speak English, 100s of cities in the US are named after places in England. Tons of stuff I was taught that Americans invented were actually copied from British inventors.
We are not a Ukrainian people. Ukraine is no more democratic nor less corrupt than Russia. If the Europeans think they're next on Putin's diabolical plan of invasion then they shouldn't depend on him for oil when their stupid solar panels don't work and they should spend more on their military.
Posted on 2/22/23 at 12:54 pm to MichiganTiger
Perhaps because of the strong possibility of massive, off the scale, corruption.
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