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re: So what do ya’ll think about the Panama Canal?
Posted on 12/23/24 at 6:48 am to SquatchDawg
Posted on 12/23/24 at 6:48 am to SquatchDawg
quote:The Panama talk may be designed to underpin a new deal. Let's see where this leads in terms of constructing a competing canal in Nicaragua.
I’m torn on this issue.
We built the damn thing…it’s of vital interest to national security and from what I read the Chinese are taking control of it.
That said, we gave it to Panama and taking it back would be a military intervention on a foreign country.
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:04 am to SquatchDawg
Carter should have never fricking let Panama have it.
If there are conditions/requirements of the deal that Panama isn't fulfilling, void it and take it the frick back.
There.
If there are conditions/requirements of the deal that Panama isn't fulfilling, void it and take it the frick back.
There.
This post was edited on 12/26/24 at 8:03 am
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:04 am to SquatchDawg
I hope Jimmah lives long enough to see us take it back. That moron should have never given it up. It's of major strategic value and that idiot just gave it away. We absolutely should use military force to take it back and tell the Chinese to pound sand if they don't like it.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:05 am to SquatchDawg
We shouldn’t have given it away.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:15 am to Riverside
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We should absolutely reclaim it if Panama continues to violate the treaty we have with them.
Without knowing the exact ins& outs of how Trump claims Panama is violating the treaty, this x1000 and it should be the only consideration.
With that said, I’m not particularly perturbed about Trump’s rhetoric.
Blowing hot-air has long been used by Trump as a negotiating tool.
A Firing Line Debate: Resolved: That the Senate Should Ratify the Proposed Panama Canal Treaties…
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:21 am to SquatchDawg
It won't come to any military action. Trump will use economic pressure to get what he wants.
I think it's great! China has been nosing around down there and Trump probably knows more about it than what he's saying.
The US should get discounted rates for using the canal, it wouldn't be there if we hadn't made it possible.
Trump is putting America First!
I think it's great! China has been nosing around down there and Trump probably knows more about it than what he's saying.
The US should get discounted rates for using the canal, it wouldn't be there if we hadn't made it possible.
Trump is putting America First!
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:22 am to Snipe
quote:
Let them have it.
Trump should build a new Mexican Canal
frick that! Do both!
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:29 am to SquatchDawg
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:30 am to HagaDaga
It was only built after a military intervention on a foreign country.
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Think the US had naval vessels offshore Panama to “protect” American interests as the rebellion against Columbia went down. Again, they were there to protect, keep Columbia from interfering.
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Think the US had naval vessels offshore Panama to “protect” American interests as the rebellion against Columbia went down. Again, they were there to protect, keep Columbia from interfering.
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 7:37 am
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:37 am to SquatchDawg
Absolutely take it back.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:39 am to theballguy
quote:
Trump should build a new Mexican Canal
Trump finna build a Mexican canal and make Panama pay for it.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:49 am to LCrox
quote:
Think the US had naval vessels offshore Panama to “protect” American interests as the rebellion against Columbia went down. Again, they were there to protect, keep Columbia from interfering.
Correct, and there were (Marines) boots on the ground creating a blockade against Colombian reinforcements. Therefore due to our military intervention the PC was finally built.
Colombia's Senate backed out of the deal, and Roosevelt went with the "speak quietly, but carry a big stick" military approach instead of renegotiating.
Getting involved in foreign affairs to get what we need either diplomatically or militarily is just the American way. Not sure why people act (not saying you do) like it's not. Handled better, yes, but a part of what keeps us in power.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:55 am to lake chuck fan
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China has been nosing around down there
That's a gross understatement. China has been heavily increasing their presence all over South America for years and they're doing it in the open. Trump doesn't need a classified brief to know that.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:55 am to SquatchDawg
Giving it up was a colossal mistake by Carter.
But there isn't much we can do about it now.
But there isn't much we can do about it now.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:57 am to lake chuck fan
quote:
Trump will use economic pressure to get what he wants.
China has been increasing their presence and influence in Mexico and Central/South America. These countries have options beyond the USA now.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:58 am to HagaDaga
quote:
Correct, and there were (Marines) boots on the ground creating a blockade against Colombian reinforcements. Therefore due to our military intervention the PC was finally built.
Colombia's Senate backed out of the deal, and Roosevelt went with the "speak quietly, but carry a big stick" military approach instead of renegotiating.
Getting involved in foreign affairs to get what we need either diplomatically or militarily is just the American way. Not sure why people act (not saying you do) like it's not. Handled better, yes, but a part of what keeps us in power.
Now apply this to the middle east and let's see the 180s
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:00 am to HagaDaga
Agree.
One of the issues with the Nicaraguan route was the volcano located near the proposed canal (postage stamp campaign). Just curious if the volcano would be an issue if that old canal route were revisited.
Or, could we make Panama the 52d state after Canada being 51.
One of the issues with the Nicaraguan route was the volcano located near the proposed canal (postage stamp campaign). Just curious if the volcano would be an issue if that old canal route were revisited.
Or, could we make Panama the 52d state after Canada being 51.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:20 am to LCrox
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Or, could we make Panama the 52d state after Canada being 51.
And Greenland the 53rd.
Would be interesting if the Nic. route was looked at again. A bargaining chip against Panama not straightening itself out. I'm sure Trump will say something like "we got the bestest corp of engineers, so that volcano wont be an issue".
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:22 am to SquatchDawg
Control the Americas…in a friendly partnership manner….let the rest burn….
A good start with Argentina and El Salvador….annex Canada (just kidding, no not kidding??)
A good start with Argentina and El Salvador….annex Canada (just kidding, no not kidding??)
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:22 am to SquatchDawg
quote:Operation Just Cause ring a bell....I knew a damned good dude that left this world there.
That said, we gave it to Panama and taking it back would be a military intervention on a foreign country.
The lasting legacy of our 3rd worst President Jimmy Carter. Just think the lasting legacy of LBJ on this country the 2nd worst and I shudder to think of the the Biden related calamities that will plague us for generations if not be our outright downfall.
We built it - fricking seize it.
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