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re: So we love FISA now?

Posted on 4/20/26 at 6:58 am to
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
26662 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 6:58 am to
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It’s a necessary evil when you have radical Islamic terrorists overseas plotting jihad against the United States.


No it isn’t…
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
19931 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 7:09 am to
FISA is like a gun free zone, it does nothing to stop the spying on citizens.

For fricks sake a FISA judge stated that obama admin had illegally sourced the NSA database 10s of 1000s of times with no FISA warrant...and nothing was done.

I take that back, something was done. Obama stated NSA no longer was in charge of their own security, all agencies would now be their own watchdog and EVERYONE started accessing the system.

FISA......BADGES, BADGES WE DONT NEED NO STINKIN BADGES (10 cents to Treasure of Sierra Madre).

You guys are worrying about shutting the barn door and all the cows are sittin at the local bar.

Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
9790 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 7:12 am to
I’m MAGA as hell, but I don’t agree with FISA.
Posted by Schleynole
Member since Sep 2022
1503 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 7:17 am to
Slap in the face to everyone that has ever loved this country. We are no longer what we were created to be.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102583 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 7:47 am to
“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety” - Ben Franklin
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37455 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 7:54 am to
Bad when Obama or Sleepy Joe uses it, fully righteous whe The spray Tanned One uses it.

Your rights are insignificant to the government's needs
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
15366 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 8:44 am to
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It’s a necessary evil when you have radical Islamic terrorists overseas plotting jihad against the United States.


Give me dangerous liberty over secure tyranny every time. This is Soviet stool pigeon behavior to have secret courts in this nation.
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
5326 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 8:46 am to
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Your rights are insignificant to the government's needs


True, but yet the opposite should be true
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
27322 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 9:41 am to
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It’s a necessary evil when you have radical Islamic terrorists overseas plotting jihad against the United States.


Just like the Patriot Act, right? Stopped all them aye-rabb attacks!
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 10:16 am to
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What “rights” have been diminished?


FISC courts shouldn't exist. Imagine trying to explain what that court does to anyone who signed the constitution.

"It's a secret court, full of judges who can unilaterally invade the privacy of any American, without proof or suspicion of wrong doing..."
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
22040 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 10:21 am to
because he knows if he says to kill FISA, congress wont. If he says to keep FISA and use it, then Congress will more likely kill it.

This isn't rocket science.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
37900 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 10:42 am to
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Nothing like secret courts in a supposedly free country. 

There's not much "free" about it.

The most vital Amendments are the First and Second, which are symbiotic to both themselves and every Amendment thereafter. The First is already limited, and the Second which "SHALL NOT be infringed" is already greatly infringed.
Posted by tigerlion
Member since Jul 2009
2309 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 10:54 am to
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FISA and the Patriot act should be cancelled tomorrow and scattered to the wind


Yep in its entirety and Anna Paulina Luna’s bill to dismantle the entire thing shouldn’t just be sitting there collecting dust.
Posted by public_enemy
Member since Feb 2015
5119 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 10:58 am to
Holy spin cycle you fricking jackass
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
22040 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 11:13 am to
just watch. As trump talks about using against his enemies, the sentiment will change. Happens every time.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
77464 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 11:29 am to
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Tell us the difference between the 2 FISA's that Trump talks about.

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Know the difference between FISA Title 1, the Domestic Collection, and FISA 702, Foreign Collection.

FISA Section 702 is the legal authority that lets U.S. intelligence agencies (NSA, FBI, CIA, etc.) compel U.S. tech/telecom companies (Google, Meta, Microsoft, AT&T, Verizon, etc.) to hand over the communications of specific non-U.S. persons located outside the United States who are suspected of terrorism, espionage, cyber threats, weapons proliferation, or other foreign-intelligence matters.

It does not require an individual warrant for each foreign target (only annual approval by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court for the overall procedures). However, it can incidentally collect data on Americans who communicate with those targets — and that incidental data can later be queried/searched by the government.

If the authority lapses on April 20 without extension:

- Intelligence collection on foreign threats would face immediate gaps or stop entirely in some channels. U.S. companies could refuse to continue cooperating because their legal protections under 702 would disappear.

- The intelligence community and military would lose real-time access to critical foreign communications, blinding analysts to plots involving China, Russia, Iran, ISIS/al-Qaeda affiliates, fentanyl networks, cyber attacks, and more.

- Trump highlights the direct military impact: troops overseas rely on this intelligence for operational success and force protection. Without it, the U.S. would be less able to detect threats to service members or disrupt enemy plans.

- Domestically, it has helped stop numerous foreign-inspired terror attacks and other threats. A lapse would increase the risk that the next plot goes undetected until it’s too late.

That is exactly why Trump is pushing so hard for a clean, fast extension — he and the administration argue that any delay or controversial amendments (such as requiring warrants to query Americans’ incidental data) could jeopardize the program’s effectiveness or cause it to expire before a longer-term deal is reached. Proponents say the national security costs of even a short lapse are simply too high with so many credible threats.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37964 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 11:31 am to
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It’s a necessary evil when you have radical Islamic terrorists overseas plotting jihad against the United States.



frick you!!! fricking count!!

frick trump on this too. he is fricking wrong, same with mike johnson.

this is exactly why freedom died with 9/11 because cock sucking count like you live in fear. frick you

if its that important then no muslims allowed to come here at all. no visa to visit, no citizenship, no nothing and ban those countries from travel here. no more student visas too and then start looking at those already here


but frick you man, i shouldnt have to give up my rights because of 9/11. frick that. its exactly what has us in the position we are in now.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37964 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 11:34 am to
well if its just that specific package for those outside the US....fine

but the shite has to stop on citizens here in the US at some point.

patriot act and fisa is why in general you can not give the government an inch because a temporary measure will just keep getting renewed and now we are quarter century after the fact and spying on our own citizens in secret courts and jailing anyone that provides proof the government is doing it.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
77464 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 11:39 am to
So long as bad actors outside the US are communicating with US citizens for nefarious purposes, there's always going to be the possibility of citizens being caught up in the surveillance.

The intent behind those collecting the comms is often the difference-maker. In the 2016-17 case where the Obama-Lynch DOJ/FBI tapped the phone calls between Russian Ambassador Sergei Kislyak & incoming National Security Adviser Gen. Michael Flynn, they used FISA to monitor the call Kislyak made to Flynn, but Flynn was the target the whole time. If the rules had been followed, Flynn's information/identity would've been redacted and only Kislyak's identity would have been made public. Instead, they unmasked Flynn's identity in the name of nAtIoNaL sEcUrItY.

The Hussein admin wanted insight into what the incoming Trump admin was going to do with respect to Russia because #MuhRussia was going to be their insurance policy to hamstring Trump's first term.
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