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re: So Gaetz is blaming McCarthy for working with democrats...
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:53 am to moneyg
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:53 am to moneyg
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The MTG / Trump support was in facing the inevitability that McCarthy was going to win and in hopes that he could be controlled. They got him to make significant promises.
BS. Trump fought that whole week to get McCarthy in and he fought those who wanted conditions. Trump still sucks at personnel decisions.
facts don't change because you are romantically attacted to Trump.
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:54 am to Flats
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Trumpkins are going to struggle with that. I think he only worked a year (as a lawyer) before riding Dad's name into politics. You trust a career politician?
If he is thinking about running for governor, I can't imagine the talking points. He's going to have to attack DeSantis as a governor of Florida and not a Trump opponent for President.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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Do you prefer a CR with more concessions to DEMs or less concessions to DEMs?
I do not support CRs.
I support narrowly scoped appropriation bills that can be amended, debated and voted up or down on the House floor.
I want CRs and Omnibus bills to die a painful death. They are KILLING this country. CRs are the tools for real grifters of this nation.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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He's going to have to attack DeSantis as a governor of Florida and not a Trump opponent for President.
No he's not. Running for governor 90% local issues and 10% fighting back against the federal government depending on who is in the White House.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:58 am to GumboPot
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I do not support CRs.
Well, you're going to get one.
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Do you prefer a CR with more concessions to DEMs or less concessions to DEMs?
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I support narrowly scoped appropriation bills that can be amended, debated and voted up or down on the House floor.
Already addressed:
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Fairy tales are not an option.
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I want CRs and Omnibus bills to die a painful death. They are KILLING this country
Well, they just got stronger support thanks to Gaetz's performative art.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:58 am to SlowFlowPro
Gaetz is doing what he said he was going to do way back earlier this year. So I don’t really think you can say he’s dishonest. You can argue the political strategy of his moves, sure. But Gaetz is saying if you’re giving away the store then it really doesn’t matter and the Speaker has engaged in enough bad faith to warrant his ouster.
What Ws has McCarthy been nailing on the wall with his skills? He was R leader of the California legislature, then a US House Rep for 16 years now, House R Whip for 3 years, House R Leader for 9 years, and now Speaker. How would you rate his performance? It seems you think Gaetz is the problem with the Republicans and not the politicians running the party for many years. Or maybe you think they suck but not as bad as Democrats therefore we need to keep supporting them just sucking.
I believe Republicans will continue to lose, not because of Gaetz challenging McCarthy, but because of McCarthy and Republican leadership failing to effectively and persuasively articulate and implement a winning plan along with the significant erosion of faith in their abilities and commitment to achieve what they claim to believe.
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Gaetz's political skill has been giving the DEMs Ws. That's the problem.
What Ws has McCarthy been nailing on the wall with his skills? He was R leader of the California legislature, then a US House Rep for 16 years now, House R Whip for 3 years, House R Leader for 9 years, and now Speaker. How would you rate his performance? It seems you think Gaetz is the problem with the Republicans and not the politicians running the party for many years. Or maybe you think they suck but not as bad as Democrats therefore we need to keep supporting them just sucking.
I believe Republicans will continue to lose, not because of Gaetz challenging McCarthy, but because of McCarthy and Republican leadership failing to effectively and persuasively articulate and implement a winning plan along with the significant erosion of faith in their abilities and commitment to achieve what they claim to believe.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:04 am to LuckyTiger
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Gaetz is doing what he said he was going to do way back earlier this year. So I don’t really think you can say he’s dishonest
He has created an image and he's made statements to mold/support that image. I think his dishonesty is in why he built that image. I don't think he's sincere about any of this stuff, but there was an opening for MAGA support and his political career was nerfed (by a scandal that was completely unfair to him).
He could be a Congressman nobody gives a frick about who had a scandal for having sex wiht minors, with a ceiling of Congressman, or he can rebrand into the MAGA troll and maintain some sort of face (and the increase in donations).
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It seems you think Gaetz is the problem
I don't see him as a "problem", per se. I think he's engaging in echo chamber red meat for his own political status within MAGA (and for monetary support therein), at the expense of the very policies he claims to promote.
Either that or he's insane and thinks MAGA is the majority, which is is not. I don't think he's insane.
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and not the politicians running the party for many years. Or maybe you think they suck but not as bad as Democrats therefore we need to keep supporting them just sucking.
a. They are 100% not as bad as DEMs. This is one of the more insidious echo chamber talking points.
b. They are voted on by people I can't control and who won't change (and certainly won't go MAGA). I can only vote for one Congressman, and he's one of the biggest jokes in Congress.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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If he is thinking about running for governor, I
He's almost certainly thinking about it, but I can't see the state-wide appeal.
I like having a couple of bomb-throwers in congress, with the recognition that sometimes everybody's going to get hit with shrapnel. He's in a safe seat and while he doesn't know how to tone it down he's not a bad fit for that role. I don't see him as an executive.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:07 am to SlowFlowPro
You are simping for a big government CR that was passed by democrats with leftist priorities. I find it amusing that the board’s “libertarian” continues to regurgitate uni-party talking points and advocating for the spending and appropriations status quo. You have no principles and the the only movement you are apart of is a bowel movement.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:07 am to Flats
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but I can't see the state-wide appeal.
I can't, either.
Also, how can he escape being called "Groomer" 100x/day?
Is MAGA going to abandon the "Groomer" label for Gaetz? Not bloody likely.
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I like having a couple of bomb-throwers in congress, with the recognition that sometimes everybody's going to get hit with shrapnel.
I don't mind him as a bomb thrower, but he's trying to be a terrorist with a suicide vest on.
When his strategies are specifically giving DEMs more power/concessions, then it's a problem. Anyone with a brain could see this when he held up KM as SOH, and the chickens are coming home to roost.
This is where "bomb thrower" changes to muh fight and you see the loserdom in MAGA belief systems/talking points.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:09 am to Bourre
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You are simping for a big government CR that was passed by democrats with leftist priorities. I
No. I'm sad that Gaetz allowed the DEMs to get more with this (inevitable) CR with his bullshite.
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I find it amusing that the board’s “libertarian” continues to regurgitate uni-party talking points and advocating for the spending and appropriations status quo.
SFP:
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It's not the one I want.
Do you prefer a CR with more concessions to DEMs or less concessions to DEMs?
I want a CR with fewer concessions to DEMs.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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So engaging in a strategy to give them more concessions is a good strategy?
If his strategy gives the marxists more concessions, it is on the GOPe, not Gaetz.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:10 am to troyt37
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If his strategy gives the marxists more concessions, it is on the GOPe, not Gaetz.
How?
Non-Gaetz CR: fewer concessions to DEMs
Gaetz-created CR: more concessions to DEMs
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Do you prefer a CR with more concessions to DEMs or less concessions to DEMs?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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How?
Non-Gaetz CR: fewer concessions to DEMs
Gaetz-created CR: more concessions to DEMs
And so his "strategery" should be to continue to capitulate to McCarthy, who has done absolutely nothing he said he would do in order to get the job in the first place?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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Because of Gaetz, which means Gaetz is giving the DEMs more than had he just fallen in line with KM.
You think Gaetz et al should just fall in line with McCarthy?
This has been a pretty above board set of standards that McCarthy agreed to in advance. Gaetz is only doing what he said he would do from the beginning.
I'm sure much of this is performative, but I disagree substantially with McCarthy, so it's worth it in my opinion.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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SFP
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:18 am to Bourre
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Justin Amash
@justinamash
Kevin McCarthy was by far the worst leader I served with in the Republican conference. Unprincipled, incompetent, duplicitous, vindictive, and entirely transactional.
Instead of simply committing to and following through on maintaining an open and deliberative process in the House, he promised conservatives substantive victories he knew he’d never deliver. All he cared about was getting the gavel.
As I’ve said before: The House needs to follow its rules and allow the genuine participation of every representative. This means starting early on major legislation and working through it in committees and on the floor. Any speaker who doesn’t run the House this way is perpetuating oligarchy, dysfunction, and hyperpartisanship.
7:48 PM · Oct 2, 2023; 362.9K Views
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:21 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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The House needs to follow its rules and allow the genuine participation of every representative. This means starting early on major legislation and working through it in committees and on the floor. Any speaker who doesn’t run the House this way is perpetuating oligarchy, dysfunction, and hyperpartisanship.
Truth. The dysfunction caused by lurching from fake crisis to fake crisis, all because the House doesn’t do anything until ten days before a deadline, is destroying the country.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:25 am to Taketts
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Am I missing something here?
Yes, context.
One of the big reasons Gaetz went after McCarthy in the first place was that he was going to allow Ukraine funding in the intended spending bill, this is in complete contradiction to his promise of NOT doing it (among other things) if Gaetz would relent and support him for speakership.
McCarthy backed down on the Ukraine spending this time around but only because he had made a deal with Democrats that if they passed this spending bill then he would include Ukraine funding in the next round of spending (which starts now).
That's a whole different thing from Gaetz wanting to use the Democrats to help oust McCarthy. What Gaetz is doing is attempting to play on Democrats' desires for discord within the GOP to get McCarthy out and install himself (or someone else who will keep their word) as Speaker versus McCarthy's using Dems to indulge in the normal sort of backsliding on responsibility we see from DC politicians.
To try implying those two instances are the same is like saying someone who pushes down an old lady as he steals her purse is no different than someone who pushes down an old lady to get her out of the way of a speeding bus because both engage in pushing down old ladies.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 9:29 am
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:25 am to SlowFlowPro
How about don’t give any fricking concessions to Dems? Why not yield the power they have? It’s because McCarthy is a fricking dem in republican clothing. Gaetz is showing the country that.
You keep screeching about more concessions, you should be asking yourself why are there any fricking concessions at all.
You keep screeching about more concessions, you should be asking yourself why are there any fricking concessions at all.
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