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re: So Gaetz is blaming McCarthy for working with democrats...
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:14 am to LuckyTiger
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:14 am to LuckyTiger
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I’m not sure he’s going to declare martyrdom.
He's already spread the talking points ("McCarthy's working with the Democrats!")
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I can’t really fault him for doing what he said he was going to do if McCarthy failed to honor the agreements he made to become Speaker.
I don't fault him for filing the motion, either. His shitty strategy started long before the past 10 days.
He's all in, now.
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Gaetz is saying the country is going to be lost by continuing down this road and, if it is, he wants his name recorded as having opposed it.
He could just vote No and avoid giving the DEMs more in the process.
That wouldn't get him the same press/donations, though.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 8:15 am
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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What are you talking about? I'm literally explaining how he is marginalizing the movement by engaging in a terrible strategy.
Without Gaetz 100% chance of CR.
With Gaetz 80% chance of CR and Uniparty transparency.
The chances of your coveted CR are still highly probable so you can rest easy.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:16 am to GumboPot
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75% of the buget is currently funded by the House
What about the Senate?
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and the uniparty are holding up the rest so they can run the clock out and force a CR.
Again, Gaetz just solidified CRs by his shitty performance art loser bullshite.
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You cannot deny McCarthy want's a CR. Y
I never did.
McCarthy understands the reality of the situation.
The CR McCarthy passes will give more concessions to the DEMs, though, so it's a huge L for Gaetz.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:17 am to GumboPot
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Without Gaetz 100% chance of CR.
a CR with fewer concessions to the DEMs
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With Gaetz 80% chance of CR
a CR with more concessions to the DEMs
Which scenario is better for the anti-DEM agenda?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:18 am to GumboPot
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The chances of your coveted CR are still highly probable so you can rest easy.
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It's Fall, y'all
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:18 am to GumboPot
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After the CR is passed that all the "conservatives" on this board are currently cheering on will then complain about all the spending and how it is destroying our children's future.
And go back to screeching about how “MAGA voters” don’t really want to do anything about spending without even a hint of irony.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:19 am to Y.A. Tittle
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And go back to screeching about how “MAGA voters” don’t really want to do anything about spending without even a hint of irony.
How is taking a L and giving concessions to DEMs (aka, more spending) supporting decreased spending, exactly?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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What about the Senate?
What about it?
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Again, Gaetz just solidified CRs by his shitty performance art loser bullshite.
SFP, "I hate Gaetz because his fight against a CR is giving me the CR I want".
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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How is taking a L and giving concessions to DEMs (aka, more spending) supporting decreased spending, exactly?
McCarthy would easily side with his GOP coalition and take up narrowly scoped appropriation bills and block the Dems.
It's really easy to block the Dems when you have the majority. It's up to McCarthy.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:22 am to GumboPot
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SFP, "I hate Gaetz because his fight against a CR is giving me the CR I want".
I want a CR (because this is happening 100$ no matter how much virtue signaling goes on) with fewer concessions to DEMs.
Gaetz just ensured the DEMs will get more concessions in the CR.
How is that a victory? How is that strategy supporting decreased spending when it will certainly increase spending in reality?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:23 am to Taketts
McCarthy has not held up to his end of the deal he made to become speaker
He also did side deals with Dems about Ukraine funding
He needs to go
He also did side deals with Dems about Ukraine funding
He needs to go
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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Exactly. Because Gaetz just solidified CRs by his shitty performance art loser bullshite.
Dude, CRs have happened and will continue to happen regardless of Gaetz’ existence.
It would probably be better if Republicans could get their people to buy into their official strategy (whatever that is) for the long game and accept bending over and taking it in the arse some more in the hope and goal of getting closer to their supposed long term objectives.
But the facts are…the Republicans have lost their base. I think a lot of people (especially the Republican bigwigs) still don’t get this reality. Their longtime voters no longer believe in them. Their base doesn’t believe in what the GOPe professes. They have lost the team. Republicans don’t have the rope or goodwill or faith of their base anymore.
And they have fully earned that shitty reputation, imo.
This was all inevitable. Not because of Gaetz, but because of McCarthy. He just isn’t the guy for the job. He doesn’t command the respect required for his role. And until Republicans can find someone who can start putting wins and scalps on the wall it will get worse.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:26 am to GumboPot
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McCarthy would easily side with his GOP coalition and take up narrowly scoped appropriation bills
Which ones have passed the House fully? LINK me to the full votes.
Which of those have support of the Senate?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:26 am to stout
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McCarthy has not held up to his end of the deal he made to become speaker
No shite, b/c he was negotiating with a side that didn't have the power they thought they did.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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I want a CR (because this is happening 100$ no matter how much virtue signaling goes on) with fewer concessions to DEMs.
McCarthy does not have to work with the Dems. He can work with the GOP majority on narrowly focused appropriations.
Here is a little secret: HE DOES NOT WANT TO CUT SPENDING...so he is willing to work with the Dems.
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Gaetz just ensured the DEMs will get more concessions in the CR.
Gaetz just outed McCarthy's liberal spending priorities.
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How is that a victory?
It's not. The defeat comes at the feet of McCarthy. He made an agreement upon being voting into the Speaker role. He broke that agreement.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:27 am to Taketts
Follow the money
Gaetz has the best fundraising
Grift since “Stop the Steal”
Gaetz has the best fundraising
Grift since “Stop the Steal”
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:28 am to stout
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McCarthy has not held up to his end of the deal he made to become speaker
What are those requirements?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:29 am to LuckyTiger
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Dude, CRs have happened and will continue to happen regardless of Gaetz’ existence.
I'm not arguing this. Gumbo Pot is the one inhaling hopium saying there was a 20% chance the CR wasn't the route.
Gaetz just ensured that there will be no legitimate discussion over CRs for some time by marginalizing the issue with the general electorate.
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But the facts are…the Republicans have lost their base
If this were true, Gaetz would have real power and not 10-20 off and on supporters. They're like 10-20% of the GOP House at most.
That means 80-90% of the GOP house has not been "lost"
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Their longtime voters no longer believe in them. Their base doesn’t believe in what the GOPe professes. They have lost the team. Republicans don’t have the rope or goodwill or faith of their base anymore.
That's why the extreme minority is supporting the stuff you're saying they dont?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:31 am to GumboPot
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He can work with the GOP majority on narrowly focused appropriations.
Where are the full votes on these?
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Gaetz just outed McCarthy's liberal spending priorities.
No he didn't. That's the pyrrhic victory he's claiming, though. Good talking points for the echo chamber (his only real goal).
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It's not. The defeat comes at the feet of McCarthy
If Gaetz is the guy who could avoid giving the DEMs a victory, it's at his feet. He wants KM to give the DEMs concessions so he can spin this monumental loss as a win. Again, see the whole "virtue signaling" referenced earlier (and you spouting the irrational talking points in this thread).
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:31 am to Tmcgin
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Follow the money
McCarthy is the biggest fund raiser in the GOP. It's why he is speaker.
Hakeem is one of the biggest fund raisers for the Dems. It's why he is minority leader.
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Gaetz has the best fundraising
Gaetz does get that much money from lobbyists like McCarthy and his buddy Hakeem.
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