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Simple question: brand new state of the art train didn't have GPS governor?
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:09 am
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:09 am
How the hell was this train allowed to do 50mph OVER the limit in the first place?
It's nearly 2018 for God's sake
It's nearly 2018 for God's sake
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:10 am to CAD703X
Just keep listening to and believing in fake news. They have no reason to lie to you.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:11 am to CAD703X
I'm curious about this too. Especially as the left fights for more rail infrastructure for public transit.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:12 am to TX Tiger
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Just keep listening to and believing in fake news. They have no reason to lie to you.
CNN reported this?
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:14 am to TX Tiger
Aren't those limits set by engineers based on physics?
It's not the same as a 55mph limit designed for millions of idiot drivers. One would hope extensive training and education occurs for train drivers.
It's not the same as a 55mph limit designed for millions of idiot drivers. One would hope extensive training and education occurs for train drivers.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:14 am to Statestreet
quote:Yes, fake news consists solely of CNN.
Just keep listening to and believing in fake news. They have no reason to lie to you.
CNN reported this?
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:15 am to TX Tiger
No.. There's nbc,and,wapo,salon, Huffington...
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:16 am to CAD703X
Apparently it was supposed to be implemented, but due to cost, the can was kicked to the following year.
But I agree, the train should have never left the station
But I agree, the train should have never left the station
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:18 am to TX Tiger
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Just keep listening to and believing in fake news. They have no reason to lie to you.
I suppose you are going to tell us that there really wasn't a train crash or that government had the train crashed in order to deflect from some other issue.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:20 am to CAD703X
I thought I read something that said the speed limit was 79 mph in that area
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:20 am to CAD703X
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How the hell was this train allowed to do 50mph OVER the limit in the first place?
Because it didn't have ATC, automatic train control, the thing that automatically slows a speeding train down. Of course with this safety system you have to have sensors stationed along the way for the system to actually work. This was not the case here. Installment of this system was on the agenda for next year.
Something tells me this Amtrak engineer was not familiar with this territory seeing as to how it was Amtrak's first run on this line of track.
Something else. Is a $181 million upgrade a good way to spend money just to only save ridership 10-15 minutes in their travels? I would say that not's much bang for your buck but that would be a tad insensitive on my part when using the word bang because there was a helluva big one yesterday.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:21 am to Vacherie Saint
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Especially as the left fights for more rail infrastructure for public transit.
Personally, I like the idea of more rail infrastructure. I think a privately-operated superspeed train that went between cities would be pretty awesome. Imagine being able to live out in the country, needing to only drive 10 minutes or so to a high-speed train, then zip to a city that would take hours to reach by car for your job.
Sadly, it would be a massive undertaking for a corporation and I don't like the idea of the government trying to run it.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:21 am to upgrayedd
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I thought I read something that said the speed limit was 79 mph in that area
I heard that as well. The train was going something like 2.6 miles over the speed limit. That was early on, though.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:22 am to CAD703X
Dagny Taggart would have definitely defied the anti-dog-eat-dog rule and ordered the governors be removed for maximum efficiencies, mate. Sometimes regulations are needed.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 10:23 am
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:24 am to TX Tiger
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Just keep listening to and believing in fake news. They have no reason to lie to you.
I already regret asking but:
What is fake news? That they were going that fast or that they had no governor?
What would be the motivation for lying about either one? I can see just getting facts wrong about a disaster within a day of it happening, but you specifically used the word "lie."
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:26 am to CAD703X
I work in the rail industry so I'm familiar with this kind of stuff.
The speed limits (time table speed) on rail lines aren't like speed limits on highways. They're what the track was designed for and what it can handle. Going over is a serious violation and increases the chances of derailments significantly.
On Positive Train Control, the deadline for implementation was pushed back because none of the railroads were going to be able to have it implemented and operational by the deadline. If the deadline had stood, rail traffic would've come to a halt.
Some railroads have gotten segments up and running but I have no idea what the status of this particular line is regarding PTC though. Obviously it wasn't turned on, but I don't know if that's because it isn't up and running yet or if they just opted not to use it.
The speed limits (time table speed) on rail lines aren't like speed limits on highways. They're what the track was designed for and what it can handle. Going over is a serious violation and increases the chances of derailments significantly.
On Positive Train Control, the deadline for implementation was pushed back because none of the railroads were going to be able to have it implemented and operational by the deadline. If the deadline had stood, rail traffic would've come to a halt.
Some railroads have gotten segments up and running but I have no idea what the status of this particular line is regarding PTC though. Obviously it wasn't turned on, but I don't know if that's because it isn't up and running yet or if they just opted not to use it.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:27 am to CAD703X
That train in the Philly Amtrak crash a couple of years ago was going an estimated 103 mph through a curve rated for 50 or 55mph.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:29 am to Homesick Tiger
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Is a $181 million upgrade a good way to spend money just to only save ridership 10-15 minutes in their travels?
Welcome to the world of liberals. Anything for more "public" anything.
The light rail cost $90 MILLION per mile to install in Mesa/Tempe, and I don't see many people riding it.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:29 am to SSpaniel
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I thought I read something that said the speed limit was 79 mph in that area
I heard that as well. The train was going something like 2.6 miles over the speed limit. That was early on, though.
Generally, 79 mph is the speed for Amtrak trains. However, you do have spots where the speed has to be reduced due to the geometry of the track or track conditions.
I think I read this spot was coming down a hill and had a curve which would call for a reduced speed. I'm not sure where I read that though, or it's validity.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:31 am to CAD703X
The track was new. The train itself looked to be an older model but still a very valid question.
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