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re: Simone Biles with a message for all the girls out there
Posted on 7/28/21 at 8:20 am to PsychTiger
Posted on 7/28/21 at 8:20 am to PsychTiger
You don't quit on a team...even if you are having a shitty night. You do your best, and if a decision needs to be made, the coach makes it. She bobbled a landing on the one event she did and had a meltdown. She should have gone out and tried....for the team. Teammates have worked and sacrificed for years to have that one shot. They lose by 3 points. Had Simone stuck it out and had one good event, maybe they win gold. Now we will never know, because instead of rising up, she quit on her teammates. Their hard work completely disregarded and their dreams shattered by one person's decision to put pride and self over team..
That isn't brave, and it isn't admirable. It's the opposite of that.
That isn't brave, and it isn't admirable. It's the opposite of that.
This post was edited on 7/28/21 at 8:21 am
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 8:22 am to Snipe
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I really don't get all the hate for this girl.
Whatever is going on with her 99.9% of the public have no clue what it is. So she made a personal decision for herself. How does her decision hurt anything other than her standing in her sport?
And I 100% do not think it sends any negative message to young girls to just quit when the going gets tough.
Maybe it sends the opposite message. Maybe is sends a message the you have a commitment and responsibility to yourself above all else (except your God).
I think the reaction to this sends a clear message to all young athletes. No one cares about you if you're not competing and winning.
I think there are two separate narratives. Personally - and I suspect many share my POV - it is not a personal animus towards her. It is a reaction to how she is being praised for quitting and praised only because she's African-American.
It was not long ago that we praised Kerri Strug for competing on a hurt ankle to lead TeamUSA to victory. Her courage to compete in the face of adversity inspired a nation.
Today, we're celebrating an elite athlete who had a bad performance and then quit on her team because she could not face the pressure. She's being praised for her bravery for standing up for "mental health" and her courage NOT to compete because she's butthurt.
This is just another symptom where "violence is silence" and the further emasculation of America. Athletics is mental and physical. The world is littered with physical specimens that lacked the mental toughness to win (Jeff George anyone). The fact that failure is now celebrated says a lot about our culture.
This post was edited on 7/28/21 at 8:23 am
Posted on 7/28/21 at 8:23 am to Baylor Kyle
Being judged for being too good?
Hmmm....lot of that going around.
Hmmm....lot of that going around.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 8:24 am to Baylor Kyle
If she competes in the individual (she will), all of this "we dont understand her pain" bullshite will be fun to circle back around on.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 8:27 am to PsychTiger
This whole thing seems off to me, I believe she is being paid to bow out. I don't for one second believe that a world class athlete of her caliber would just suddenly back out for "mental health issues". Call me a conspiracy theorist ,but these people are built different and I just find it hard to believe she is doing that. This just seems like a propaganda push and many are eating it up.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 8:27 am to Vacherie Saint
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If she competes in the individual (she will)
If she does this, then the only explanation is she was sucking it up in the team event and quit... I don't see her competing in the individual...
Posted on 7/28/21 at 8:28 am to Pettifogger
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I actually think this topic deserves at least a little nuance.
She was sucking it up and thought she'd become a liability. So she quit. She's going to get praised on that basis by our media establishment who would never criticize a black female athlete. I certainly don't think she deserves praise for it, but I can see a perspective in which she thought (immaturely, IMO) she was doing the right thing in the moment.
On the other hand, she's the GOAT or close to it. She has girls all over the world looking up to her, and the girls on her team depending on her. She's embraced that role to date. Quitting was the easy way out, no question. A competitor of her stature should have risen to the moment or gone down with the ship. If she lets the team down based on bad performance, fine. Hold you head up, tell the girls who admire you that you're going to have bad days but you finish, even when your bad day happens at the worst possible moment. Go out there and do your best for your team, no matter what that ends up looking like.
No qualms with this at all. If she would have said directly: "I was not at my best and we all agreed the team would be better with [other chick]." You cannot be the greatest and not good enough at the same time.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 8:40 am to Pettifogger
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I actually think this topic deserves at least a little nuance.
She was sucking it up and thought she'd become a liability. So she quit. She's going to get praised on that basis by our media establishment who would never criticize a black female athlete. I certainly don't think she deserves praise for it, but I can see a perspective in which she thought (immaturely, IMO) she was doing the right thing in the moment.
On the other hand, she's the GOAT or close to it. She has girls all over the world looking up to her, and the girls on her team depending on her. She's embraced that role to date. Quitting was the easy way out, no question. A competitor of her stature should have risen to the moment or gone down with the ship. If she lets the team down based on bad performance, fine. Hold you head up, tell the girls who admire you that you're going to have bad days but you finish, even when your bad day happens at the worst possible moment. Go out there and do your best for your team, no matter what that ends up looking like.
I think you are just making up reality though.
She wouldn't have received criticism if she made the decision to step down because she was off her game and just didn't think she could help her team. All great athletes hit the wall at some point. Honestly, she probably would have been celebrated for her career at that point.
But, that's not what happened. She's given several reasons, most that didn't make sense.
I'm pretty convinced that she has a mental issue. Based on what I know of her (not much) it's probably due to her personal history (abuse) and narcissism that developed from being told that she's the greatest of all time her entire life combined with the need to constantly be perfect.
She's lost confidence. She couldn't handle the possibility of failing. And, combined with the legit mental instability and fear, she ran from it.
I'm not upset with her. I think the appropriate emotion to have towards her is sympathy.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 8:41 am to Baylor Kyle
Well yeah, although the reality is that nobody cares about silver and I don't think it would have ever made too much practical sense to sub in someone for the highest-profile/upside gymnast in the world.
It'd be a different scenario if it was some gritty, good-not-elite team captain handing the armband to his protege in a key moment to preserve a cinderella shot at a title
It'd be a different scenario if it was some gritty, good-not-elite team captain handing the armband to his protege in a key moment to preserve a cinderella shot at a title
Posted on 7/28/21 at 8:42 am to STEVED00
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Biles did NOT let anyone down or send a bad message to anyone. She is playing a sport for OUR ENTERTAINMENT! That is it. She worked hard to get where she is and then decided she didn’t want to do it anymore. She owes the American people nothing. Shame on us if we looked at her as something more than just a gymnast who was great at what she did.
The only people that she MAY owe something to is her sponsors who paid $ assuming she would perform in the Olympics.
To some degree you are correct. However, first she quit on her teammates who were relying on her to carry her weight on the TEAM. It would be no different if 52 guys busted their asses to be in a position to win a championship only to have the star QB say, "frick it, I'm done" in the 3rd quarter of the Super Bowl just because he threw an interception.
Second, she has willingly positioned herself in the public eye and benefited, financially, to a significant degree, as a role model and "inspirational" figure. Particularly, to young girls. If you are going to hold yourself out as an "inspirational figure" and best of all time, then you owe it to those people you've asked to be inspired by you to, at minimum, not quit at the first sign of adversity.
Heavy is the head that wears the crown. There is no question it is difficult and stressful to be EXPECTED to always perform at the highest level. And people are wiling to accept that sometimes even the best fail. But no one respects quitting on your team just because you faced adverse circumstances. I also don't recall her ever complain when she was hailed as the "GOAT" and happily accepting the endorsement money that came along with that status.
Making an error and losing is forgivable. Choosing to quit just because you made a mistake isn't.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 8:45 am to HailToTheChiz
Naomi Osaka
Posted on 7/28/21 at 8:50 am to jimmy the leg
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If so, then no, she won’t regret bailing on her nation.
She’s already won her country a frick ton of medals. As far as a gymnast is concerned she’s done her duty for the country.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 8:51 am to STEVED00
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Biles did NOT let anyone down or send a bad message to anyone. She is playing a sport for OUR ENTERTAINMENT! That is it. She worked hard to get where she is and then decided she didn’t want to do it anymore. She owes the American people nothing. Shame on us if we looked at her as something more than just a gymnast who was great at what she did.
The only people that she MAY owe something to is her sponsors who paid $ assuming she would perform in the Olympics.
bullshite. She owes her teammates and especially the gymnast that could have taken her place if she wasn't going to compete.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 8:58 am to ELVIS U
Competed in the Olympics. Try another.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 9:06 am to EthanL
I tell you, you LEFTYS can't leave the race issue alone!
You only make the whole mess worse.....
She is a great gymnast, black or white.....and she quit!
You only make the whole mess worse.....
She is a great gymnast, black or white.....and she quit!
Posted on 7/28/21 at 9:07 am to Archer
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Well to be fair, Olympic committee saying they aren't going to judge her on abilities that she can do and no one else can. Is kind of fricked up. I'm sure that played a huge role in her breakdown.
That is not at all what they said. The dispute (and it's only that USAG and Simone think start values should be higher) is about the start value, mostly on vault and a little bit on floor. Her Yurchenko double pike has a start value of 6.6. The Yurchenko double full has a 5.4 and the Yurchenko 2.5 full has a 5.8. USAG thinks the 6.6 should be higher.
Nowhere has anyone EVER said she won't be judged on it. She will be. She is also allowed to do it. She just wants a higher start value. Her start value already is much higher than everyone else, except for bars. Suni kills it on bars.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 9:09 am to LaLadyinTx
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Nowhere has anyone EVER said she won't be judged on it. She will be. She is also allowed to do it. She just wants a higher start value.
Well, just another way the media spun some stuff as "they said"... makes sense now...
Posted on 7/28/21 at 9:12 am to Archer
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Biles suggested that the FIG has serially undervalued her skills because "they don't want the field to be too far apart," she told The Times. If the FIG keeps her provisional scores low, Biles' thinking goes, than other gymnasts may have a fighting chance.
This doesn't mean she can't do the skills or won't be judged on them. It also doesn't mean her start value isn't much higher than everyone elses. It is. It juse means that USAG and Biles think her start values should be higher. Any country's organization would be saying that and if Biles were in another country, we'd be arguing that it should be lower.
Most of you people have NO CLUE about how gymnastics scoring works.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 9:15 am to PsychTiger
There’s a surprising amount of people here who hate freedom and individual choice.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 9:16 am to baybeefeetz
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Wrong. She is going to regret it every day.
Down vote away assholes.
No she won’t. She was Olympic athlete, but due to Covid BS her family and loved ones weren’t in attendance to watch her on the grand stage. Her coach is an idiot. He even chose a member that has 0 opportunities to medal. If they’re going to hold the olympics you allow fans/family/friends to be there. That way they can hug their loved ones as they reach the top of Everest.
Furthermore, have you ever looked at what injuries and permanent bodily damage gymnast deal with? If anything, she will probably regret not quitting sooner. It is brutal on the ankles, shoulders, and knees.
You sit there judging her for quitting on her country. You should be judging her coach for being a complete dumbass. You should be judging the organizers for not allowing attendance. The Olympics should have been 100% open or completely canceled. It takes away from the glory of the event.
Like I said, downvote away.
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